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What is the number of vets that will benefit from 1976 to 1991?

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Post by Sapper Zodiak Wed 20 Feb 2013, 17:22

I go back to September 07/ 1989...

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Post by froggie2u36 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 16:48

thank you bigrex and K9, i had thought that Judge Barnes had asked that question couldnt remember.Maybe letting all the veterans in the class from start (1976) but starting retro pay in 1991 with high gross up would have benefit us way more than having to pay the deem tax....with a small 3.27 gross up.But what do i know ,i dont have my lawyers degree.I was confused and i was very thankful to be able to attend the hearing in Halifax.Everything is now clearer than MUD .

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Post by K9 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 16:40

I think the answer to that question in Court was 176 Class members, feel free to correct me!
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Post by bigrex Tue 19 Feb 2013, 15:24

There are a few aspects of SISIP that greatly reduced the number of class members back then. The fact that it was not mandatory when it was created, there may not have been very many who seen it a good plan so didn't sign up. That might explain why is was made mandatory. The GoC was paying for this to be administrated, so if very few CF members sign up, it is nothing but a drain on the system. Another point that affects the numbers was that SISIP did not pay for service related injuries, so even if a Veteran had to wait until they were being medically released before applying for a PA pension, they might not bother applying for SISIP, or SISIP may have seen that they had a PA application in process and reject any requests based on it.
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Post by Guest Tue 19 Feb 2013, 15:15

Thats great for those veterans especially widows who might have forgotten

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Post by bigrex Tue 19 Feb 2013, 15:12

Froggie, the judge asked a similar question during the Hearing. How many Veteran were added with the lawsuit getting backdated to 1976. The Lawyers said that it included between 140 and 180 veterans or their survivors, but I cannot remember the exact number. I know it was less than 200.
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Post by Wife of a Veteran Tue 19 Feb 2013, 15:07

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Post by peep Tue 19 Feb 2013, 14:58

This is a question that will not be anawered and I do not think MC knows.

For us to know, we would have to have a Law Firm that communicates with the class. Since I have been a member, CM has never once told us what is gong on, and mostly what makes me want to just go out and kill a hamster today, is that MC never once asked the class what they want. Never! Not once since I have been a member or a zero sum.
For MC to answer that, they would have to do work. Unless they are payed forward 7.5%, I can see them disappearing.

Froggie good question. I feel if we just went back to 1991, and paid cash to the members going back to 1976 from our payout, we still would be ahead then giving more millions to the Law firm.
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Post by Rags Tue 19 Feb 2013, 09:02

Agreed Mofors and Robbie,

But what was the logic behind this argument by both Dennis and MC? I dont know why they said what they did. It may be just what you elude to smoke and mirrors. It would be nice to get a response from Dennis or MC or a Lawyer like Supreme to comment. Froggie raised a good point, I too wonder what the reason of arguing we would lose all the pre 91 vets in this deal. I dont see it as a reasonable position by MC. But I may be wrong, it would be nice to know.

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Post by Guest Tue 19 Feb 2013, 08:59

Exactly mfors2222, the smoking mirror game is putting a bad taste of shit in our mouths period

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Post by Guest Tue 19 Feb 2013, 08:32

for all the work the lawyers have done i am very happy and pleased for my bigger sisip check i will be receiving and even getting my full retro taxed very hard because deemed taxes still okay with me... thats the ball game i signed up for and definetly not going to opt out.... even if i got taxed more or fee were higher that still wouldnt bother me.... out of this whole case to this time period one thing seems to bother me. is how fees brought up in court... 17.83 is 17.83 .... but try to make sound better by 7.5.... the way i see it if your going to charge veterans a certain amount for fees why not only use figure your charging????????
7,5 now and 7.5 future smoke grenade to get 17.83

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Post by Guest Tue 19 Feb 2013, 08:18

yes i have a valid argument! we been told by lawyers... we are just puss in zits on forheads and going to get squeezed by 7.5 mombo told to courts and media and 17.83 told to us

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Post by Rags Tue 19 Feb 2013, 08:12

Froggie, I think that was a red herring thrown out by MC and or Dennis, there is no legal reason I am aware of that would preclude going back to the start of the claw back. That appeared to me to be just fear to sign off on the deal to counter others arguments we need to renegotiate.

I have heard Dennis and MC say the same thing and do not see a reason under law that the class action would not go back to the start of the clawback. If anyone has a valid argument on this Id love to hear it. But for now for me it is just redoric mumbo jumbo to get us to fear killing the deal that we would leave all kinds of vets out from the 70s and 80s.


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Post by froggie2u36 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 07:02

One thing i keep wondering about is this.It was said that no veteran would be left behind,and thats one reason they wanted it to go back to 1976.We were told that we could have got more if they had only went back to 1991.Now looking at how many people are still alive and will get it from 1976 to 1991(who knows the number,i am thinking Judge Barnes asked that question)compared to getting a higher gross up (3.27 %as it stands now).I understand estates will only go back to 1991...sooooo exactly how many people will benefit.Or would it have been better to go from 1991 and get a way bigger top up?wouldnt it have made more sense to go from when it started in 1976 but only start back pay from 1991 and get a bigger top up?One assumes theres hundreds and hundreds from 1976 to 1991 why else would the lawyers agree to something like this?My question is ....what is the number of veterans from 1976 to 1991.Someone must know....

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