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Post by Teentitan on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 11:41

Still don't get what you are trying to say Rex. Both are making the same amount per month.
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Post by bigrex on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 11:18

Pinger, the thing is, that if the person is disabled more, they should get more, than someone who is disabled less, regardless of time in or rank. As far as employability, there was already a mechanism for that, with the PIAS, which paid the exact same amount, regardless of time served, OR level of disability, simply because you were TPI/DEC. the way they are doing it now, they are actually punishing those Veterans who were able to serve longer, because even if they are equally disabled, or slightly worse, they will not get the same level of support.

let's compare two severely disabled Cpl's. One served 9 years, and the other served 15. Both made $5000/mo before release. The first Veteran gets a return of contribution instead of a CF pension.

CIA grade 1 - $1799
CIAS - $1103
ELB - $4500

Second Veteran gets a 30% CF Pension of $1500

CIA grade 2 - $1199
CIAS - $1103
ELB - $4500 - $1500 = $3000

So what benefit does the second Veteran get, for having served several years more before getting disabled? This will possibly hurt the CF as well, because now anyone who is injured before the 10 or 20 year mark, may not take advantage of staying in uniform, because it could actually hurt them in the long run. That is why I think that CIA grades should be based on level of disability AND lost employment opportunity (and not just their military career), not an either or situation.
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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 18:19

I think you nailed it Pinger. 100% agree
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Post by pinger on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 18:17

Bigrex, it's very screwy alright.

You wrote:

"Why should someone who served less time, and is less disabled, get more money, than someone who served longer, and is more disabled?" That's just wrong.
But here is just ONE other scenario . . .

Why should someone who served less time, and is more disabled, get more money, than someone who served longer, and is less disabled?

I don't really like comparisons because they can divide... (not good) but compare a 20 y/o afghan vet with serious mental health issues to a 80 y/o Korea vet who lost a leg.
Well God knows, that can open up another huge can of worms.

Employability ? I think we all want that satisfaction. Some should NOT, but are stubborn and still try. Sound familiar anyone?
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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 12:06

Good to know. The policy change highlighted a change from level 3 to level 2 or one based on years left to serve. I hear rhetoric now of other factors being included in the determination of level. I've yet to see clear policy to match the legislation and personally believe it to be a major misrepresentation of the intent of the policy.
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Post by bigrex on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 12:04

Personally, I think that the way they instituted the CIA is completely screwed up. Why should someone who served less time, and is less disabled, get more money, than someone who served longer, and is more disabled? I was getting grade 2 PIA, based on the level of disability, and now getting grade two CIA because of both level of disability and time in. But now someone who served less than 10 years, and who would might have only qualified for grade three PIA because they were still able to work, is suddenly getting grade one CIA, AND still able to work part time as long as their earnings are less than the 33% mark. If they had to take into account any factor, other than level of disability, it should have been your age. So someone in their 20's and 30's who becomes DEC, is significantly more impacted than someone who is in their 50's or 60's. because right now, someone who is 60 years old, and was medically released 20 years ago after serving 5 years, could go on CIA, and get grade one, in spite of possibly having worked full time since their medical release, as long as their condition has deteriorated to the point that they could no longer earn 33% of their imputed wages. But if someone joins when they are 18, and serves 1o years before becoming totally disabled, they would only get grade 2, in spite of losing out on 37+ years of employment opportunities.


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Post by pinger on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 11:28

Vet1234 wrote " Has anyone in a similar situation , under 10 years served and DEC actually been moved from level 3 . . .

I was. Just under 5 years served, I'm not a 3b but TPI/DEC and my CIA got bumped from 3 to 2 with the relaxed CIA expansion last year. Even if not TPI, some folks finally got approved for CIA to begin with.
But this...  years served vs years left to serve I do not understand.
What I DO understand very clearly is that when that is used in conjunction with a variety if other inputs, income, and scenario's it gets VERY cloudy and is not generally advantageous across the board. JMO when I say it creates loopholes which benefits the GoC more so than veterans.

How to fix ? IDK but even if it was all replaced with one great big cookie cutter, not everyone would make out o.k.
So there you have it... snafu. Hope I made sense.

Hope you make out o.k. Taz, at least 3 weeks is better than 3 more months.

Stay well all...
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Post by Taz on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 11:19

Vet1234 wrote:Almost 3 1/2 months and still no word on my CIA review from the new legislation.

I was released 3b with 7 years of service and was awarded PIA (now CIA) at the lowest level. The letter I received in April said that my CIA level is going to stay the same, so I requested further review. Recently I asked for a status update of my review on the MyVAC site and they sent a letter stating that a decision would be issued by July 27th.

I don't know if it is the same for everyone.
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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 08:15

Almost 3 1/2 months and still no word on my CIA review from the new legislation.
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Post by Vet1234 on Wed 31 May 2017, 18:53

teentitan wrote:If you want to go above Grade 3 you need to be identified as DEC.

Grade 3 CIA is for people who can still work but not at the amount of money they used to make.  CIA is a boost to help the vet if all the vet can find is part time, or a minimum wage job.

If you only served 7 years and were to be declared DEC then you most likely would go to Grade 1.

Has anyone in a similar situation , under 10 years served and DEC actually been moved from level 3 to level 1, based on years left to serve? I haven't heard of anyone.
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Post by Vet1234 on Wed 31 May 2017, 15:56

Anyone here still waiting for their CIA review from April?
I am.
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Post by Slaket on Mon 15 May 2017, 13:27

Letter today saying 12 weeks for them to conduct my review.
Submitted my review request over two weeks ago.

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Post by Bruce72 on Thu 11 May 2017, 16:50

Vet1234 wrote:I just received a DA on a reassessment.  It talks about my Quality of life and assigns a number from some VAC chart.  I looked at the blacked out copy of the new CIA/DEC reassessment posted here and it talks about QOL being a factor in the decision....  how does that even matter?

I think this will help Vet1234. At least I think it's what you are looking for.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/after-injury/disability-benefits/benefits-determined/table-of-disabilities/ch-02-2006#a06
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Post by Vet1234 on Thu 11 May 2017, 16:40

I just received a DA on a reassessment. It talks about my Quality of life and assigns a number from some VAC chart. I looked at the blacked out copy of the new CIA/DEC reassessment posted here and it talks about QOL being a factor in the decision.... how does that even matter?
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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 11 May 2017, 05:49

Look around you! You do not have to look to far to see what is happening.
For example, look across our border and see how they terminate people easily  "fire you" if you do not obey.
Kind of what has happened here, i.e. Mike  B. and Karen M.
There are always ass kissers amongst us, who are willing to do anything for "money and power"!
Not I!
I just want peace of mind, physical wellness and financial security. Just like the other average Pension's Act veteran.
No more, nor less.
What is so hard to understand about this?
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