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Re: Justin Trudeau is a Hoser Part Ill

Post by czerv on Wed 21 Feb 2018, 09:53

Looks like his vacation in India is not going very well (politically speaking).
He is snubbed by the government of India. Thank you India!

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Re: Justin Trudeau is a Hoser Part Ill

Post by pinger on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 00:13

A little snippet here albeit from the cbc, it sort of tacks in to your post Perry.

There's a LOT of scrutiny / transparency needed there. Definitely.
MUCH more than the average joe as these politicians are supposed to be some sort of exemplary pillars of our democracy ?  lol!

But lmao aside... I'll give them a grain of salt.
Even if it is legal, maybe a few earned it.
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Justin Trudeau is a Hoser Part Ill

Post by Guest on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 06:13

Justin Trudeau is a Hoser Part Ill

By Perry Gray Chief Editor Aug 01, 2017

Disregard for Rights and Freedoms

The problem with unlimited liability is that it has fostered unrealistic expectations.  The government assumes that Veterans can do anything assigned to them without complaint, but if they fail, then they should be punished severely.

Nobody should be treated this way, which is why there are Charters of Rights and Freedoms.  

Our charter is based upon the older UN charter and it is this which I quote below:

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

I have indicated that Veterans have suffered “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment” in service to Canada.  Their rights have been suppressed in contradiction of Canadian law.  They are subject to discrimination contrary to Canadian law and do not receive the same protections, thus they are not equal to other Canadians.  Effective remedy is not provided by a national tribunal, the Veterans Review and Appeal Board (VRAB), which is very biased in my opinion, and legal representation is provided by VAC (hardly impartial).

Yet, our government likes to see Canada as an excellent model of UN ideals.

Can Canadians really expect much from its government?  Given the number of rights and freedoms violations, the answer is a resounding NO.

DND, which I consider is a social and political experiment gone badly wrong, is at the whim of a government that one experienced federal bureaucrat stated:

“a government that either doesn’t understand the basic principles of good governance or simply doesn’t care”  (Alan Williams 16 June 2017

Mr Williams used a term which seems to confuse the government; a concept of clear accountability.  It should be easily understood given its repetitions in government communications.  It is also used in conjunction with three other words; transparency, participation, and inclusion.

The NVC is a good example of the government failing to appreciate all four words.  It was developed in secret by VAC, consultation never included all of the draft, a brief summary was approved by six Veterans (officially even if their organisations supported them), who never saw the draft, and the government has failed to be accountable by ensuring it is a “living charter”.  The last failure is due to the fact that VAC has not significantly changed it despite over 400 recommendations from Canadians. And because of the NVC, VAC seems to have forgotten about older legislation, which also remains in effect because the NVC did not replace, only supplement.  This is a key distinction that VAC would rather not discuss.

In my opinion, unlimited liability should be compensated with unlimited responsibility.  This means that the government should be more generous in its treatment of Veterans and truly honour its commitments to treat Veterans with dignity and respect.  In other words, if you break it, then you pay full costs, and do not try to settle for 20-30% or offer excuses.

Since the government is unlikely to redress the inequalities of its unfair compensation policies, it is left to individual or groups of Canadians to follow Omar Khadr’s course of action, namely initiate legal action.  This may not end as favourably as it did for Omar Khadr because the government continues to oppose the Equitas law suit, which has probably cost millions as did the SISIP class action.  Of note, the previous Conservative government tried to settle the Equitas case with the Critical Injury Benefit of $80,000 (again chump change for the “chump” Veterans).

Omar Khadr was not the first Canadian to seek legal redress because of mistreatment by the US government because of the “war on terror”.  He probably will not be the last.

In my opinion, Omar Khadr should receive compensation similar to that provided to other Canadian “Veterans”, namely the New Veterans Charter.  He should be paid a lump sum up to $360,000, or probably less because he has less than a 100% disability. VAC will only pay the full amount if he is totally and permanently incapacitated.  Of course, he can take his case to VRAB, if he feels that he deserves more.

One major concern that is never discussed is the accountability of the officials and politicians, who were either culpable for Khadr’s abuse or did nothing to protect him from abuse.  The government knows the names of the irresponsible people, but has done nothing to punish them, just the taxpayers.  Also missing is any effort to punish the people, who forced Khadr to join the Taliban and make IED’s.  Will the government ever hold them accountable?

It seems that the government takes the easy option all the time; namely throw money at the problem.  Prime Minister Trudeau should have announced the plans by which the Department of Justice will prosecute all those complicit in these crimes against Khadr including US officials and the Khadr family.  This would be money well spent because it is positive proof for all Canadians to demonstrate that the government will protect every Canadian.

But that would require political will, which seems to be lacking.  For example, how much money was paid to the families of the 12 Canadian soldiers killed and wounded by the US during the Tarnak Farm Incident of 17 April 2002 in Afghanistan?  Did the government seek millions in compensation from the US government?

A former Liberal government decided to pillage the CAF pension fund of $4.5 billion to help balance its budgets.  Paul Martin was the Minister of Finance who orchestrated this plan.  Did the government ever compensate Veterans?  Again the answer is no as stealing from and abusing Veterans are acceptable business practices.

Another question that the prime minister should answer; why are none of the guilty held accountable in these cases?  If they broke the law, then why are they not prosecuted?  Instead only Canadian taxpayers are held accountable.  Doing only this is both ethically and morally wrong!

The Prime Minister stated his commitment to Veterans in his mandate letter to Minister of Veterans Affairs Kent Hehr in 2015:

“our government lives up to our sacred obligation to veterans and their families…
We have promised Canadians a government that will bring real change...I made a personal commitment to bring new leadership and a new tone to Ottawa...also committed to set a higher bar for openness and transparency in government...”

He echoed his commitments while speaking about defence policy in May 2017:
"It is going to be extremely important moving forward that Canadians see their government has heard the pride that all Canadians feel in supporting our troops and that we demonstrate with concrete actions and investments that our priority is in supporting the extraordinary men and women of the Canadian Forces, who choose to serve,"

Well Prime Minister put your money where your mouth is.  Compensate Veterans as part of supporting these extraordinary men and women.  Praise is nice, but money pays the bills.

I am sure that Canadians would approve giving money to Veterans rather than paying lawyers to fight against Veterans in court…or to an enemy combatant who could have killed Canadian soldiers defending his rights and freedoms.

To all Veterans, get angry.  Call a lawyer not a politician.  Let us test the determination of the government to squander taxpayer dollars fighting us before it settles.  If we wait until the next election, then there are no guarantees the next government will be any better…the Conservative Party also made lots of promises…

Some harsh facts

Compensation for government wrong-doing:

1988 — Japanese Canadians who lived in British Columbia and were interned during the Second World War solely because of their race. They received $300 million and an apology.

1989 — The government offered $150 million dollars to 1,250 people, who contracted AIDS from tainted blood provided by the Red Cross.

1995 — The British Columbia government awarded settlements to 150 students of the Jericho Hill School who suffered abuse. They received between $3,000 and $60,000 each.

1997 — The Newfoundland and Labrador government provided $11 million to victims of abuse from the Mount Cashel Orphanage in St. John's. Payments to the 81 men, ranging from $20,000 to $600,000 each, only began in 2003 after liquidating the assets of the religious organization that ran the orphanage.

1998 — The original hepatitis C compensation package covered about 10,000 people affected between 1986 and 1990 from tainted blood. It was worth about $1.2 billion.

2000 — Merchant sailors helped ship goods, fuel and people back and forth across the Atlantic during the Second World War and the Korean War but were not in the navy and thus not eligible for any pension. After decades of protest and lobbying they were finally awarded about $50 million. The number of sailors and widows was thought to be between 2,500 and 7,000.

2001 — After tainted water killed seven and sickened thousands in Walkerton, Ontario and surrounding towns in May 2000, the entire population was eligible for compensation. A total of 7,600 people received an average of $6,300 each from a package worth $50 million. More than $11 million went to administration fees.

2001 — . Children in Quebec (Duplessis Orphans) during the 1940s and 1950s who were misdiagnosed as mentally challenged and institutionalized. Between 1,000 and 1,500 received an average of $25,000.

2005 — Italian Canadians were also interned during the Second World War. The survivors and spouses received $2.5 million but did not receive a formal apology.

2005 — Ontario Superior Court judge ruled that the federal government owes $4.6 billion dollars to veterans and their families because of mismanagement of veterans’ monies.

2006 — Indian residential school survivors will receive part of a $5-billion dollar settlement agreed in 2006. Some of the money will cover administration, legal fees and be spent on healing programs. Individual survivors will receive amounts ranging from a few thousand to about $300,000.

2006 — Hepatitis C sufferers, who contracted the disease before 1986 or after 1990, and who were excluded from the original settlement. About 5,000 individuals received $1 billion. The money also covers administrative and legal fees.

2006 — Chinese head tax. Around $8 million for the 400 survivors or spouses who paid this racist fee at the turn of the 20th century.

2007 - Maher Arar received an apology and $10.5 million compensation because Canadian officials played a role in his detention in the United States, and his deportation to Syria where he was tortured. (Note Omar Khadr reportedly received the same amount a very suspicious coincidence.)

2008 — Komagata Maru. An apology was issued for not letting would-be Sikh immigrants land in British Columbia in 1914. No compensation.

2010 — Halifax mayor Peter Kelly apologized to the descendants of Africville, the all-black community where residents were evicted and the houses bulldozed in the mid-1960s to make room for a bridge. Some $3 million in compensation was offered to the local community association and to construct a museum about the community. No individual compensation.

2010 — Air India. An apology was issued for institutional failings of various departments and police agencies on the 25th anniversary of the destruction of an Air India plane by a terrorist bomb. Both sides are still negotiating compensation.

2010 — Apology to 19 Inuit families — moved from northern Quebec into the High Arctic in the 1950s — for hardship and suffering.

2010 — Sean Bruyea sued the government because VAC violated the Privacy Act by unlawfully sharing his personal and medical information.  He sought $400,000 in compensation and received an apology from the government.  No VAC employees were prosecuted in spite of their actions (“Every person who contravenes…is guilty of an offence”)

Wrongful convictions:

- Donald Marshall, a Nova Scotia Mi'kmaq convicted in 1971 of murdering Sandy Seale. He spent nearly 19 years in prison before being exonerated by a royal commission report in 1990. He was compensated with a lifetime pension of $1.5 million.

- After being tried twice for the murder of his young neighbour, Christine Jessop, Guy Paul Morin was finally exonerated by DNA evidence in 1995. He received $1.2 million.

- David Milgaard was convicted in 1969 for the murder of Saskatoon nursing aide Gail Miller. He was in prison 23 years before also being exonerated by DNA evidence in 1997. Milgaard was awarded $10 million in compensation — $6 million from Saskatchewan and $4 million from the federal government.

MP Entitlements vs Veterans

MP’s qualify for a pension if they serve a minimum of two terms in the House of Commons (up to 10 years).  Their pension is based on their salary, which is currently more than $170,000 . By comparison military personnel must serve a minimum of 20 years to receive a pension and are limited to 70% of their pay.  Considering that the average age at release is 36, then many Veterans will not be eligible for a pension.

MP’s qualify for severance pay equal to six months salary if they lose an election or quit.  This is also more generous than other government employees.

Perry Gray


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