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Post by Supremedebater on Mon 04 Feb 2019, 16:43

So has anyone out there been provided good reasons as to why Vac is not allowing the new PFL to be taken as a lump sum? Has anyone asked them how they can give a lump sum from 2006 to 2019 then say no lump sum for the pfl but if a Veterna submits a new claim after April 1 2019 they can take the lump sum on a new claim.

Why hasn't anyone challenged them on this? They're saying the Veterans affected between 2006-April 1 2019 can only accept a monthly amount for the pfl?

HELLO? AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS IS A VIOLATION AND DISCRIMINATION?

They are discriminating all veterans subject to the NVC that they created, yet taking things away that we should have equal rights to obtain it monthly or in a lump sum form.

LIKE COME ON PEOPLE, THIS IS BAD! THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWING MONTHLY BECUASE THEY KNOW MOST VETS ARE DAMAGED AND WONT LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO COLLECT TO A RIPE OLD AGE. Christ sakes...this bad news when I see this happening. They're taking rights away here. And ONCE AGAIN, THEYRE THINKING OF THE MIGHTY DOLLAR. $130,000,000+ and they're worried about money? Come on folks, do not stand for them dictating to us. Call the 1-866-522-2122 and tell them your not happy about it and that you will b seeking a lawyers advice.

So because its the Government of Canada they get away with delivering a program that is once again not equal nor fair and they get away with it?
WOW!

Supreme out

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Post by Guest on Mon 04 Feb 2019, 17:00

I'm sure many have contacted their MP to voice their concerns.

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Post by EZRider on Mon 04 Feb 2019, 17:27

Doesn’t involve me but I see your point and it’s quite valid. Should be an option at the least.

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Post by Armygunner on Mon 04 Feb 2019, 19:42

If you read the legislation on the PFL; you will come across a paragraph that states something like " that if the lump sum is chosen after 1 April 2019 it can't exceed the max amount for the % awarded". So say a vet gets awarded 50% on 2 April 2019 under the new PFL; the vet will have a choice between a monthly PFL at $575 per month for life or $187k ish Lump sum. Now you can see why we are not getting another Lump sum payment for us vets that received a LS before 1 April 19.

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Post by bigrex on Mon 04 Feb 2019, 20:33

To me, the big difference between Veterans injured between 2006 and 2019,and those after April,  is that we were never really given the option, of how we received our payments. I'm sure most Veterans would accept their PFL amounts, if they weren't being reduced to insulting levels, or even if the full PFL amounts weren't already roughly 1/3rd of amounts paid under the Pension Act.
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Post by Guest on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 06:58

The REAL problem is  for example: 1.Mike Blais cant get people to write the Prime Minister. (he BEGS us monthly and has for 10 years) 2. Multiple  Veterans groups are full of curious onlookers doing nothing. 3.Sean Bruyea cant raise enough funds to battle Ottawa. (Go fund me in 4 months has raised less than 6 grand)
Only a small amount, likely less than 120 out of 500000 veterans are willing to support the cause with even a small donation to Sean, or a brief email to the prime minister or a real meaningful action in your community.
Why!

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Post by sports1977 on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 08:05

Hello,

I was advised this only take affect on the Decision Date. So if you Decision is after 1st April you will have the choice to take a lump Sum or not, from what my CM advised me.

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Post by bigrex on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 12:56

LG6, it's because the vast majority of older veterans are not affected by all these changes, so organizations that represent them, like the legion, do not care. And the younger Veterans, who do not feel welcomed into those established groups, so they tend to seek support online, but because we do not have a clubhouse, or charge membership fees, we are not given the respect by VAC and the GoC we deserve.

As far as donations to Sean, are concerned, He has probably received far more, from his past lawsuits, than most veterans have received as compensation for their injuries, so it's not fair to expect Veterans who may be living pay cheque to pay cheque, to donate money for a lawsuit that hasn't even been filed with the federal courts yet.
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Post by Rifleman on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 17:29

Yep you hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph Bigrex

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Post by Guest on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 19:44

Well Bruyea got between 200- 400 grand in the law suit but living in Ottawa that is a small town house! Sean has done more for the young veterans with his strong supportive voice/writings without the help of the legion.
Mike Blais has given his mental health and total devotion to supporting the injured young men and women of the CAF.

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Post by bigrex on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 21:39

Yes, but considering the average LSA, is only 15%, which is now $52000, regardless of where they live. So what Sean got was still 4 to 8 times higher. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Sean, and the work he has done, but that doesn't mean that Veterans should feel obligated to donate to him, for a proposed lawsuit
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Post by Guest on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 22:54

His law suit was for 6000++++ breaches of privacy by every tom dick and harry in VAC. He is not rich man. Nevertheless, these two men gave lots and still do to help current vets with little if nothing to gain except  to attempt to improve the lives of disabled vet.

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Post by bigrex on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 07:26

Well, then he should have looked at starting a class action lawsuit, where the lawyers would not take any payment until afterwards, like they did with both the SISIP and ELB lawsuits, In fact, he may not even be allowed to sue over the breaches, even as a named representative, of a class, because he has already been compensated for the breaches to his file. So I'm sure there is some law, that prevents a person from suing the government twice, for the same thing.
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Post by Guest on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 07:53

I encourage the people reading this to review what Sean Bruyea and Micheal Blais have done over the last 17-20 yrs.

http://www.seanbruyea.com/
https://www.canadianveteransadvocacy.com/directors-mblais.html

I will leave this discussion on this point.

I was just hoping to encourage a bit of support.


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Post by bigrex on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 10:23

There is a difference between knowing and respecting them for what they have done, and supporting them financially. We only know about Mike and Sean, because every time there is something in the news about Veterans, at least one of them is front and centre on the evening news. But there are dozens of Veterans advocates, that prefer to stay out of the limelight, who do it, because it's the right thing to do, and can't be accused of seeking glory, or doing it for some financial gain.

And the fact that you deleted your account over this, leads me to believe that you were actually one of these individuals, or someone very close to one of them, and not just a casual supporter. Because someone who truly valued and appreciated the work that this site has done, all without needing to seek donations, and not just here to promote somebody else's agenda, and boost their donations, wouldn't delete their account, at the first sign of disagreement.
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