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Post by Guest on Sat 30 Mar 2019, 22:00

@By the Bay wrote:Update:
My closest neighbour who lives 12 kms down the road stopped by for his weekly order of eggs.  He informed me that the Ministry of Natural Resourse in Ontario has imposed a hunting and trapping ban on coyotes and wolves in my surrounding townships.  So the darn things are protected under the Algonquin Wolf Protection Campaign. I called the Ministry and indeed this information was correct. I can only move them passively from my property. They must leave on their own accord. (How can I move them "passively" on their own accord?)  scratch Perhaps I could chase them out by telling them about my day. It works with my husband. I would ramble on about girly stuff and my husband would get so bored and annoyed that he would move into the other room and watch Netflix on his IPAD. Laughing

They also informed me that a large number of our area coyotes have sarcoptic mange which is a high contagious skin disease that can be transferred to my farm animals and humans. Their advice...once we chase out the coyotes, we need to destroy their den and trail path with a control burn of the area and the chicken coop and barn should be washed down with bleach/water. Anything that they touched should be washed.

So tomorrow morning my husband is travelling to the city in search of items you all suggested (Thank you).

Operation Passively Storm the Den is underway.
So far on our shopping list we have; bleach, wolf urine, bear bangers, smoke cannons, and paint balls and paint ball gun. We will only shoot the frozen paint balls near them since this is a "passive attack".  Is there anything else we should put on our shopping list?

I just hope they don't attack back....I don't want to become coyote poop.

Cheers,
By the Bay

Despite the ban on hunting and trapping Algonquin wolves and coyotes, there is a “protection of property” exemption under Ontario’s Endangered Species Act for an “imminent threat” to livestock or poultry. Imminent threat is seen as an Algonquin wolf or coyote attacking or stalking your livestock or poultry. Simply being on your farm is not an imminent threat.

So lock and load.  ROE - watch and shoot (need to be imminent threat to livestock)

Here’s the article with info that you can shoot them on the endangered list.  Date July 2018, would be surprised if it’s changed or update.  Just mention the article and ask conservation officer.

https://ofa.on.ca/resources/nuisance-wildlife/

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Post by By the Bay on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 00:52

Steelgunner,

Thank you so much for finding this article. cheers Yo da Man!  I just sent an email with the provided link to the Conservation Officer. So hopefully he can give us some straightforward clarification because we are receiving different opinions on this matter.  Our neighbours and some of our own knowledgeable forum members told us we can shoot them, our township and Ministry told us not to shoot them, and this article clearly states we can shoot them if our liveshock is under imminent threat. Normally, our area coyotes will keep their distances but the two males in the pack are very aggressive during this mating season. My husband's plan to use a remote control vehicle with an attach smoke cannon atop of it and drive it inside the den has failed. We were hoping this would smoke them out but the two male coyotes attacked it before the remote control vehicle got near the den. They ripped the darn wheels off and the smoke cannons didn't even fazed them. The bear bangers did nothing...we shot off 5 bangers and they just stood there looking at us. So tomorrow we are going to try shooting near them with frozen paintballs and we will try to flood their den with water. Our friend owns a portable water tanker. The hose might be long enough to snake into the den and hopefully the force flooding will make them leave. Fingers crossed!

Thanks again for finding the article.
This is a huge help because the literature I was given from the Ministry did not make any reference to the Protection of Property clause.

Cheers,
By the Bay
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Post by Guest on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 04:27

Coyotes are normally full of worms, give them some meat laced with horse de-wormer, a very strong de-wormer that i was told will cure they're worm problem, and your problem if you know what i mean.
If you have dogs don't let them near the meat!
Co-op used to sell the capsules, bite sized chunks of meat.

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Post by By the Bay on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 20:53

Wildthing wrote:Coyotes are normally full of worms, give them some meat laced with horse de-wormer, a very strong de-wormer that i was told will cure they're worm problem, and your problem if you know what i mean.
If you have dogs don't let them near the meat!
Co-op used to sell the capsules, bite sized chunks of meat.

Thank you, Wildthing
Good to know Very Happy
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Post by By the Bay on Sun 31 Mar 2019, 21:11

Update:

The ground in our backyard was too soft so now we have our friend's water tanker truck stuck in the mud. We have semi-tow truck coming out tomorrow to lend a hand. Hopefully they don't get stuck while attempting to pull the tanker out. My back yard is looking like a scene from the Mad Max movies. I bet the coyotes think we are all idiots.
Good thing I called in some favours or this would cost us a fortune.

Not so cheery,
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Post by By the Bay on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 21:43

Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
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Post by Rifleman on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 22:17

Great news take care

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Post by propat on Wed 03 Apr 2019, 23:11

glad to hear it .

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Post by Newf on Thu 04 Apr 2019, 05:26

Wonderful news!
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Post by Guest on Thu 04 Apr 2019, 09:01

@By the Bay wrote:Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
By the Bay
live and learn right By the Bay,
Note: if any of you have a similar situation don't call the MNR unless you live in the city.

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Post by By the Bay on Thu 04 Apr 2019, 12:54

Wildthing wrote:
@By the Bay wrote:Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
By the Bay
live and learn right By the Bay,
Note:  if any of you have a similar situation don't call the MNR unless you live in the city.

Wildthing....

Yes do it yourself, don't call MNR for help! They are definitely not the Cavalry...
MNR stooges are the types of idiots that would throw the pin and drop of the grenade at their feet. Neutral
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