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RCMP LTD Class Action Lawsuit

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Post by Guest Tue 06 Nov 2012, 23:00

The real scary thing with a majority Conservative government is the fact that they can open the RCMP Superannuation Act and with a pen stroke and of course a majority vote force the RCMP to join the New Veterans Charter. What is the bad news we the RCMP and Veterans lose the Pension Act and the good news is we can stand equal with the Canadian Military and be screwed equally shoulder to shoulder. I guess equally being screwed would be an improvement from being ignored as righteous vets with the Canadian Military.

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Post by Horseman Sun 21 Oct 2012, 12:57

As you know the NVC,for the most part was intended as a method of financing Pension Act (injury awards) on a lump sum basis. Of course there are other sundry benefits buried within the NVC, but from my perspective, the Government's financial conspirators true intention was to establish an accounting strategy primarliy to end the multi-year amortization of PA injury awards. The RCMP had a choice on whether to accept or reject the NVC solely because the cost of these awards is compensated from their Annual Budget while the DND had it imposed on them directly by Treasury Board as separate funding and therefore their Annual Budget was not impacted.

At the end of the day the GoC has the final word and could have imposed the NVC cost to the RCMP but chose not to. So, while we can say that the Commissioner of the RCMP and the DND CDS do have policy choices, real decisions trickle down from Government in the form of legislation.

McInnes Cooper's website refers to both Class Actions as "Indistinguishable" from each other. The court found the Defendant guilty but long before that, various levels of the Government including many parliamentarians in particular,Peter Stoffer, exposed this entire facade as unjust,unfair indecent and a collosal travesty against all veterans everywhere.

An Insurance Plan is an Insurance Plan no matter how its defined, SISIP had and still has an feduciary obligation to its policy holders and that was the finding of the Federal Court! Unfortunately, the Blaney's,McKays and Toews of this rat pack endures regardless of these obligations, five months after Justice Barnes "Unreservedly" intoned decision. As noted above, Blaney pulled out his travelling soap box recently to boast his governments decision to discontinue the Clawback of PA injury award for "Veterans". That should have occurred on May 2,2012 and not five months later,Sir! Fortunately for him he was not speaking off Base to a public gathering composed of DND and RCMP Veterans.

The continuing delays,backpeddling, contempt,deceit call it what you will, of this collegial band of self-serving elitists is reprehensible and unspeakable in terms of the language I would like to use. If they were trully dedicated to standing shoulder to shoulder with us, their vets, they would have ended this disgrace long before now.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Oct 2012, 09:45

sure bigrex but still this deal case is over.where we never had much of a precident to point to,boy do these guys have one.this case hasnt got started yet and its a slam dunk.the leagal fees on this case relitively speeking shold be verry small.your welcom.
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Post by bigrex Sun 21 Oct 2012, 05:33

I hate to say it, but I'll bet that they will use the fact that the RCMP rejected the NVC against you in court. I was going to say how, but if they read these posts like they do with the SISIP thread, I wouldn't want to give them ideas. I don't think it's right, but that is the type of low ball mentality the Harper government and their lawyers like to play.
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Post by sailor964 Sun 21 Oct 2012, 00:03

Well said
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Post by Horseman Sat 20 Oct 2012, 18:55

Canadians witnessed one of those days last week, when Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney held a news conference to announce what he described as “increased benefits” for military veterans who had fought for years against the clawback of disability benefits.

“We have worked quickly to make these changes to put more money in the pockets of veterans and their families, including some who haven’t been receiving these benefits until now,” Blaney said, announcing the end of the clawbacks Oct. 10 at CFB Valcartier in Quebec.

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Someone should remind Mr. Blaney that since he likes to advertise that he represents all Veterans, Military and RCMP, why hasn't he done something about the the same illegal clawbacks affecting all of "his" veterans? Are they going to drag out the court process long enough to put the RCMP LTD Class Action into another fiscal year end and then resort to doublespeak to justify their rationale? When will Harper,Toews,McKay,Blaney stop wasting more taxpayer's dollars and court time and staging self-gratiating news conferences while seriously injured Military and RCMP Zero Sum victims and others remain at home fighting the bureacracy and their uncertain futures. Ministers such as Blaney and McKay just don't ever seem to give a dam unless of course its about stroking their egos . We were there when you needed us Gentlemen, where were you when we came back?

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Post by Horseman Mon 15 Oct 2012, 11:32

Jeffery M wrote:What is the name of the entity within the RCMP that rejected the NVC in 2005?

First its important to note that the cost of the PA injury awards to seving and retired RCMP members is paid to DVA from the RCMP budget whereas the DND costs are paid throughTreasury Board. This allows the RCMP to decide within their budgetary mandate whether to accept or deny changes that effect their fiscal bottom line.
The NVC was imposed on the Military through Parliament/Treasury Board but since the NVC is a subtantive change to the financial structure of how the RCMP pays their bills, they retained an internal option whether or not to reject the new charter. The GOC can spread costs over years while the RCMP would have had to include every lump sum payment on an Annual basis, hence it makes no fiscal sense to support the impact it would have on their books. I'm sure there are other moral reasons for the RCMP position. Most importantly would be the limited benefit of a one time lump sum payout since most veterans DND and Military are well into a debt crisis from medicalled discharges, loss of income long before the lump sums are paid out. In my opinion the GOC of Canada can better support the welfare of its veterans through controlled monthly payments to its recipients.

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Post by Jeffery M Fri 12 Oct 2012, 16:20

What is the name of the entity within the RCMP that rejected the NVC in 2005?

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Post by Teentitan Tue 02 Oct 2012, 11:41

If you are a former RCMP officer that was/is on LTD please go to the link for important information:

www.mcinnescooper.com/services/class-actions/rcmp-ltd-class-action.


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