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The Conservatives like him because he's popular in the toronto area and the Cons want to make breakthroughs in an area under NDP/Liberal control. He also supports the get tuff on crime , throw everybody in jail, attitude of the Cons
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I know he came up through the ranks, but that doesn't mean he saw any actual firefights. After all the number of police involved firefights that actually happened during his time on the beat, probably doesn't equal a months worth of enemy contact in Afghanistan. When he was done his shift, he was able to go home and sleep in his own bed next to his wife, play with his kids every morning, eat whatever he chose. When compared to Veterans and serving members who for months have to be away from home with absolutely no choice in the matter, having to sleep in a bunk or a cot (if lucky), with numerous other men or women as roommates and at times going to bed not knowing if you will even get the opportunity to wake up in the morning. So to me, the life of an OPP officer, even one coming up the ranks sounds pretty cushy when compared to Military service. Also, if his recent career progression is any indication, going from backbencher to Minister of State, to Deputy Minister and now full Minister, with every cabinet shuffle, (with likely career aspirations of becoming Mister of Justice), he probably went up the ranks of the OPP the same way. By suck-holing to his boss, and not on any actual merits.
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I have to step in here Fantino did come up thru the ranks. He was the Commissioner of York, London, Toronto and OPP. So he does know his way around the rank and file. It's what he said in that radio interview that totally baffles me as to "why?"
There is no way of disputing an actuarial Rex without VAC doing one. That said VVi is going to take the stand of either VAC does an actuarial instead of a review. When VAC get's their actuarial that will be 2 blueprints for VAC to work off of and "cherry pick" the best from both veteran plans and come up with a new one.
There is no way of disputing an actuarial Rex without VAC doing one. That said VVi is going to take the stand of either VAC does an actuarial instead of a review. When VAC get's their actuarial that will be 2 blueprints for VAC to work off of and "cherry pick" the best from both veteran plans and come up with a new one.
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The closest thing this idiot ever came to trenches is maybe in the form of a coat. He probably wore a Fedora as well and pretended he was Inspector Clousseau. You know that any review they conduct will only be influenced by partisan politics and go out of its way to dispute the OVO's findings, so that they can keep saving money on the backs of real Veterans.
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He's just another puppet for the GoC (Conservatives).
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Here's my takeaway...So he complains that vets are "cherry picking" monetary payments when comparing the PA and NVC.
If he's trying to sell the fact that the NVC has great rehab training that is better then the PA well here's the simple solution to FIX not REVIEW the problem of monetary and voc rehab...combine the good voc rehab of the NVC with the good payments of the PA and create another bafflegab name for it.
The OVO has pointed out the payment blows for severely disabled vets using an ACTUARIAL.
HEY JULIAN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE OVO'S ACTUARIAL THEN DO YOUR OWN AND PROVE THE OMBUDSMAN WRONG!!!!
For a former cop from the trenches you sure have lost your methodical investigative techniques. Got to wonder how intense your time in the trenches were????
If he's trying to sell the fact that the NVC has great rehab training that is better then the PA well here's the simple solution to FIX not REVIEW the problem of monetary and voc rehab...combine the good voc rehab of the NVC with the good payments of the PA and create another bafflegab name for it.
The OVO has pointed out the payment blows for severely disabled vets using an ACTUARIAL.
HEY JULIAN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE OVO'S ACTUARIAL THEN DO YOUR OWN AND PROVE THE OMBUDSMAN WRONG!!!!
For a former cop from the trenches you sure have lost your methodical investigative techniques. Got to wonder how intense your time in the trenches were????
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Actually after reading this article I believe it sounds like a pr campaign to presuede the public that are benefits are great and everything is just honky dory , this fantino sounds like a guy employed by the public service and used to receiving public service benefits via the insurance based model so when we hear stories that the vac is coming down on veterans it's more than likly true. Veterans are one of the most used group of people in this country, there are great for photo ops and even the veteran affairs union is using us as a pawn to save their jobs, does anyone believe they actually care, not on your life , squeeze as much as you can from these people
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What does he care, really, he's pensioned from the O
PP and now a member of Parliament with everything that comes along with it, it's going to be a long two years but maybe with the election they might be forced to pony up some extra benefits to grab the veterans vote
PP and now a member of Parliament with everything that comes along with it, it's going to be a long two years but maybe with the election they might be forced to pony up some extra benefits to grab the veterans vote
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A tad on the condescending side eh?
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A Message from Minister Fantino
Dear Veteran / Cher(ère) vétéran,
(For your information / Pour information)
There exists a tangle of misinformation regarding how Canada treats its men and women who have served in uniform - as well as regarding the legislation known as the New Veterans Charter. Improvements made by our government, and validated by the latest Veterans Ombudsman report, indicate that while important gaps do need to be filled, a majority of Canada's veterans receive the support and care that they need.
Almost eight years ago, a unanimous Parliament endorsed wholesale change to veterans' support and services. Since implementing the New Veterans Charter in 2006, our government has invested almost $4.7-billion in new funding to enhance veterans benefits, programs and services. Today, seriously injured veterans receive significant financial support up front, and each month, in addition to having access to world-class treatment from some of the most experienced medical professionals in Canada.
As the Ombudsman notes in his recently released actuarial analysis, "the Enhanced [New Veterans] Charter is focused on wellness and rehabilitation, while the Pension Act focuses on compensation." Our approach is not to simply throw money at a problem or a person. We are focused on providing the best support and care for veterans and their families.
Canadians can and should be proud of the commitment they have shown through their parliamentarians to support Canadian veterans who are injured in the line of duty. According to the Veterans Ombudsman's report, the modern framework now in place to assist our former men and women in uniform "in lieu of a monthly pension cheque, [provides] a suite of benefits and services that encourages wellness and rehabilitation and is consistent with the principles of modern disability management."
The Ombudsman is also prudent enough to provide a caveat: "Frequently, comparisons are made only between the Pensions Act monthly disability pension and the New Veterans Charter lump sum disability award without taking into context the overall suite of monetary and non-monetary benefits provided under the New Veterans Charter. Such 'cherry picking' does not provide an objective view of how all the benefits come together to provide a particular effect."
Our government also introduced significant legislative improvements to the New Veterans Charter in 2011 that were praised in the Ombudsman's report as having "had a positive effect." We incorporated over 160 recommendations that were determined after wide consultation. In particular, we implemented enhancements to the New Veterans Charter that make it easier to qualify for the Permanent Impairment Allowance (PIA) and the Exceptional Incapacity Allowance, along with a series of other changes that boost the transition of a veteran to civilian life.
Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, the changes made by our government allow for a veteran to have increased choice. They can either receive a one-time lump-sum payment; an annual installment over the number of years of a veteran's choosing; or a combination of these two payment options.
Our government continues to take positive action on behalf of veterans. Last week, I announced that the government of Canada will support a comprehensive review of the New Veterans Charter, including all enhancements, with a special focus placed on the most seriously injured, support for families and the delivery of programs by Veterans Affairs Canada. I call on parliamentarians to focus on how we can better assist veterans. This parliamentary review, guided by representatives elected by the people of Canada, will provide an appropriate forum where all voices can be heard, including and especially those of veterans, their family members, other interested individuals and subject-matter experts. That is where we can work together to enact appropriate change for veterans and their families.
In truth, the very reason for the Ombudsman's work is to support just such a review, and not supersede it as a few critics have falsely claimed.
Our government is committed to the veteran who has sacrificed so much for their country. We will continue to work through Veterans Affairs Canada, with relevant stakeholders, community and families to ensure that we ably meet needs while also being mindful of our responsibility to the Canadian taxpayer.
Our veterans, and Canadians, deserve no less.
Sincerely / Cordialement,
Julian Fantino PC, MP / CP, député
Minister of Veterans Affairs / Ministre des Anciens Combattants
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Thanks propat, I was stating to get worried there for awhile, but it all worked out great in the end.
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Robbie...thank-you so very much...you are truly great "MAN"...Gifted and Loyal!..Love you Brother...Dave
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Thank Christ for that old vet excellent news and Sapper you da man, DJ my fellow jumping maniac (Dave) congrats jumper, George Dumont congrats, and if I have missed anyone glad for you. Ok I gotta get some ADMIN completed just took 10 while in the Crapper, oh come on who doesn't text while in the crapper don't be offended hell if it was 20 years ago ok as there was a paper shortage lol
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