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Post by Unknown Soldier Mon 15 Feb 2021, 14:20

EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.

You have to put in a ATI (Access to Information) Request with the Government.

Like others I have never heard of the March of Dimes recommending an OT from VAC.  Unknown I don't understand how the MoD got involved in your case.  MoD is a national charity so every province should have the same procedure?  If you could ask your MoD representative "how" they became involved and if the MoD offers the same service to all veterans across Canada as they are a national charity it could be of great help to others.  


https://www.veteranschronicpain.ca/

This is where I went, CBI ( Canadian Back Institute) part of a national contract to provide services ...nothing to do with March of Dimes.  One of the ‘Centre of Excellence’.

l guess in these COVID times, VAC slots veterans in where there are vacancies depending on the province , l.e. March of Dimes is not Canada wide, nor are the Centres of Excellence.
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Post by Unknown Soldier Mon 15 Feb 2021, 14:09

Teentitan wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.

You have to put in a ATI (Access to Information) Request with the Government.

Like others I have never heard of the March of Dimes recommending an OT from VAC.  Unknown I don't understand how the MoD got involved in your case.  MoD is a national charity so every province should have the same procedure?  If you could ask your MoD representative "how" they became involved and if the MoD offers the same service to all veterans across Canada as they are a national charity it could be of great help to others.  

it was all Greek to me, my CM said they were recommending me for Diminishing Earning Capacity status. The next thing I know I got a call from the local March of Dimes office to set up an appointment. I attended and they went over all the CVVRS paperwork, and asked me to list all my injuries, not just the ones acknowledged by VAC, but also those they said the military wasn’t at fault for, and those in limbo/adjudication. After that, the MoD representative shopped me around to available OTs. Eventually l got a call from the OT to go and do the 2 days of functional testing. After that l heard nothing for about 2 months, but during that time, the OT wrote their report/recommendations, sent it to MoD. MoD, added their 2 cents I.e. thumbs up/thumbs down to working and then forwarded it to VAC. The odd thing is, l have heard “ tales” of OT recommending veterans not to work, and VAC disagreeing. So they hold al the cards.
https://www.marchofdimes.ca/en-ca/getinvolved/careers/Pages/VRS-CVVRS-Across-Canada-21022020.aspx
“ We continue to work closely with the staff at Veterans Affairs (VA) Canada to provide employment assessment, vocational exploration, employment planning, job readiness activities and placement services to our clients. Working in partnership
with the VA Case Managers we truly provide a holistic service that provides superior supports and benefits to our injured veterans as they enter the civilian employment market.
The CanVet contract is national in scope. We continue to share a unique public – private sector relationship with our joint venture partners.“ - 2010-11


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Post by EZRider Mon 15 Feb 2021, 12:16

Teentitan wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.

You have to put in a ATI (Access to Information) Request with the Government.

Like others I have never heard of the March of Dimes recommending an OT from VAC. Unknown I don't understand how the MoD got involved in your case. MoD is a national charity so every province should have the same procedure? If you could ask your MoD representative "how" they became involved and if the MoD offers the same service to all veterans across Canada as they are a national charity it could be of great help to others.


https://www.veteranschronicpain.ca/

This is where I went, CBI ( Canadian Back Institute) part of a national contract to provide services ...nothing to do with March of Dimes. One of the ‘Centre of Excellence’.


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Post by Teentitan Mon 15 Feb 2021, 11:08

EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.

You have to put in a ATI (Access to Information) Request with the Government.

Like others I have never heard of the March of Dimes recommending an OT from VAC. Unknown I don't understand how the MoD got involved in your case. MoD is a national charity so every province should have the same procedure? If you could ask your MoD representative "how" they became involved and if the MoD offers the same service to all veterans across Canada as they are a national charity it could be of great help to others.

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Post by Figowa Mon 15 Feb 2021, 10:10

johnny211 wrote:Figowa - Heres an idea for you. 7 yrs ago when I was trying to figure out a college crse, my CM at the time had a good suggestion. We rounded it down to two trades. Then I asked permission fm the College to go for day and shadowed the class, and instructor. Asked all kinds of ?. In the end I found it helpful to make my decision.

Excellent suggestion.

I did bring that up to my CVVRS CM before Christmas and she said, it wouldn't be feasible because of  "covid". I will bring it up again once the lockdowns ease up. Otherwise, going to school will be the next best thing to see how I can handle a schdule not on my own terms and such. With that, my college recruiter is trying get somebody from the program to talk to me about my concerns.

I would belived being not medically cleared could be a liability. Which is why I want to be 100% transparent. That way it can't be turned back on me that they "didn't know".

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Post by johnny211 Sun 14 Feb 2021, 13:57

Figowa - Heres an idea for you. 7 yrs ago when I was trying to figure out a college crse, my CM at the time had a good suggestion. We rounded it down to two trades. Then I asked permission fm the College to go for day and shadowed the class, and instructor. Asked all kinds of ?. In the end I found it helpful to make my decision.
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Post by Figowa Sun 14 Feb 2021, 12:59

Nemo wrote:
I am currently waiting for decision on DEC. What alarms me here is the statement that VAC ignores specialists and only considers an
OTs opinion. Then why would one update with specialists when they will be ignored.? An OT only knows what he sees for a couple hours. He can't comment on a disease process as he is not a doctor.

Exactly. They are not doctors, nor do they assign doctors (let alone a specialist), as far as I know, Even my CVVRS CM has no clue what is wrong with me day to day, they just follow a script given to them. To tell them you had a bad few days and you can hear the blank stare over the phone then onto the script. I understand their job is to get you back working, but come on. Don't push me into to something that will not be sustainable and possibly detrimental and I'll have to go through this again down the road. Mad

So here is another thought. I fully plan on being 100% transparent wtih a potential employer (limitations, requirements, medication). I wonder how many employers will accomodate? Still waiting for the college to get to me on that.

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Post by Unknown Soldier Sun 14 Feb 2021, 12:11

AirLog wrote:This March of Dimes assessment mustn't be for everyone. I'm DEC, IRB, etc, and I never had this March of Dimes assessment. I did have a nurse come to my home for an assessment but I believe that that was for the CRB.

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as l said, it’s not in every province, and the MoD doesn’t assess the veteran, they just gather the reports from the nurses, OT,psychologist,psychiatrist ( if there are that many reports) and compile them into one report that is submitted to VAC, they are a needless middleman, but if the assessments say the veteran has the potential to work then MoD stays involved as it tries to help the veteran find a job.
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Post by AirLog Sun 14 Feb 2021, 11:48

This March of Dimes assessment mustn't be for everyone. I'm DEC, IRB, etc, and I never had this March of Dimes assessment. I did have a nurse come to my home for an assessment but I believe that that was for the CRB.

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Post by Unknown Soldier Sat 13 Feb 2021, 23:18

Nemo wrote: What does the MoD acronym stand for?
March of Dimes but not every province uses them
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Post by Nemo Sat 13 Feb 2021, 22:10

What does the MoD acronym stand for?
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Post by Unknown Soldier Sat 13 Feb 2021, 21:45

EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.
the way mine went, The OT wrote their report, sent it to March of Dimes, then MoD added their 2 cents in a combined report and sent their recommendations to VAC, l don’t know if it’s the norm, but my MoD rep, sent me a copy of what was forwarded to VAC. If that’s not standard, then maybe once VAC gets it, you could ask your CM for a copy.
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Post by EZRider Sat 13 Feb 2021, 18:55

Unknown Soldier wrote:
EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc

How do you get a copy of the report? Through VAC? Curious to see what is in mine.

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Post by Unknown Soldier Sat 13 Feb 2021, 18:41

EZRider wrote:
Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house.  They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down.  Your cognitive understanding and speaking.  Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.  

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door.  They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions.  Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak.  Everyone starts somewhere.
when l went , mine seemed very sympathetic to my injuries/limitations...but when the report came out the OT wrote ,” 8hr days are possible if client, doesn’t do to much of this, this or this”, and as others pointed out , the OT will document your every move from entering the building, I.e. how long you sat in a chair without fidgeting, did you need to stand or sit at any point and for how long with out or before complaining, etc etc
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Post by EZRider Sat 13 Feb 2021, 15:17

Teentitan wrote:Actually OT's are sub-contracted by VAC Client Service Agents (CSA) to assess your house and how you are handling living in said house. They check out the house for safety like grab bars in shower/bath, lift bar for the bed if needed, how many stairs are in your house and how you walk up and down. Your cognitive understanding and speaking. Basically when you are being interviewed by an OT the CSA uses the OT report as a tool in deciding what the vet needs to make their house safer and if the vet is in dire need of more assistance from VAC either approved daily living aids (shower grab bars for example), regular visits from nurses, wheelchair ramps etc.

Like BigRex said you are on the clock the second you answer the door. They observe all behaviors of the vet sitting, walking, talking, cognitive thinking, cleanliness, accessibility etc.

EZRider if you were not happy with your OT let your CSA know that the OT was not well trained and you want another assessment from an experienced OT.

Not unhappy at all...hard for an OT to do their job fully during these restrictions. Got along well with all the assessors..I’m still in the system so ta speak. Everyone starts somewhere.

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