ELB Class Action Law Suit
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit
Ok people I don't know what army life was like when you served but people didn't cry when I joined, swearing was the passion, drinking too, although being not much of a drinker I was labeled as anti-social and it was on an annual report lol. Im not the hug it out type of guy I've been threw alot like most here it has affected us mentally and caused serious injury. We argue yes, we strongly disagree at times.
Not everything's going to be sugar coated you need these bumps to create bond's in some cases. What most cannot stand is freedom's removed. I'll protect any individual that is physically threatened and risk my life in the process like many here, I will also speak the way choose because I have been quelled enough in my life. Straight up no B'S from me, no political correctness, if I feel it's wrong I'll tell you. I've apologized a few times on csat when proven wrong. Your men act like it, and the ladies who engage identify yourselves as such and yous will be treated with the utmost respect. This country is politically correcting itself right out of existence. Trooper was full of shit no other way to put it a politically correct bully hiding behind a keyboard with his finger on delete. I personally don't think he was ever in the military my opinion, a government staffer with partisan party agenda to squash any threat to the alphabet awards.
So take note veteran's and csat member's are on high alert when individual's post remarks defending everything as being awesome when clearly not everything is awesome or equal. Black and white, right and wrong is what most of us identify with, truth and honour.
Not everything's going to be sugar coated you need these bumps to create bond's in some cases. What most cannot stand is freedom's removed. I'll protect any individual that is physically threatened and risk my life in the process like many here, I will also speak the way choose because I have been quelled enough in my life. Straight up no B'S from me, no political correctness, if I feel it's wrong I'll tell you. I've apologized a few times on csat when proven wrong. Your men act like it, and the ladies who engage identify yourselves as such and yous will be treated with the utmost respect. This country is politically correcting itself right out of existence. Trooper was full of shit no other way to put it a politically correct bully hiding behind a keyboard with his finger on delete. I personally don't think he was ever in the military my opinion, a government staffer with partisan party agenda to squash any threat to the alphabet awards.
So take note veteran's and csat member's are on high alert when individual's post remarks defending everything as being awesome when clearly not everything is awesome or equal. Black and white, right and wrong is what most of us identify with, truth and honour.
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I would like to stress that I am no longer in service and have always had the freedom of speech within the laws of the country.
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Steelgunner, Trooper only deleted the post, after Metech blatantly broke the forum rules several times. Whether or not Trooper was too strict in terms of the rules is one thing, but they were rules that had been in place since before even Teen was the forum master. When you were in, you wouldn't have gone into the mess and started badmouthing your immediate Supervisor or your peers, because there would be repercussions, regardless of your personal opinions of them, because it wasn't the time or place to air your grievances.
I understand why most members do not volunteer to be an admin on here. If you do nothing when Veterans start getting out of line, then people complain that the forums are too negative, and that you're not doing your job. But if you crack down, or moderate those negative posts, Members accuse you of suppressing free speech, and call you a tyrant. I have been a member since the first day the forum was created, and have always done my utter best to make the forum someplace that Veterans could get the help they need, be it just to rant, or help in understanding the bureaucracy and the legislation. But I'm almost to the point that I just don't care anymore.
I understand why most members do not volunteer to be an admin on here. If you do nothing when Veterans start getting out of line, then people complain that the forums are too negative, and that you're not doing your job. But if you crack down, or moderate those negative posts, Members accuse you of suppressing free speech, and call you a tyrant. I have been a member since the first day the forum was created, and have always done my utter best to make the forum someplace that Veterans could get the help they need, be it just to rant, or help in understanding the bureaucracy and the legislation. But I'm almost to the point that I just don't care anymore.
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit
meteck wrote:Removed by Trooper
meteck,
This is not the first time I had to step in an edit your post.
If you cannot control yourself and respect the forum, I will delete you period.
I'm not going to stand for anymore of your behavior towards other Veterans, and towards the forum.
You signed up in 2012, you know the rules and what is expected of you in terms of behavior, your behavior proves that you lack self control, which is fine, but not fine by the rules of this forum.
What happens next or moving forward is up to you.
Trooper
Oh the good old day’s!!!!!! Speaking of truth from a personal experience as being removed and reinstated once the Trooper ERA was finished.
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Looks like this is going down like all things. Instead of honesty it will be moved forward in 3 month intervals without ever accomplishing anything. Shame on the law office for giving veterans hope. Dangle a carrot and run away.
Brasidas- CSAT Member
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Hang in there, I'm hoping the reason the MDLO took on this lawsuit was the outcome would be in our favour ( and theirs ).
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maybe its just me, but every delay makes me lose faith in this. Agreeing to delay just lets the Gov't win for another few months.
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Update from the MDLO...watch and shoot.
September 12, 2017
"We have now agreed with the Department of Justice to delay the Discovery Process until December 2017. This will provides us with more time to complete our preparations and legal research for this important pre-trial procedure where parties exchange information and documents."
September 12, 2017
"We have now agreed with the Department of Justice to delay the Discovery Process until December 2017. This will provides us with more time to complete our preparations and legal research for this important pre-trial procedure where parties exchange information and documents."
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UPDATE – JULY 6 , 2017
UPDATE – JULY 6 , 2017
Who is part of the Class Action Suit? A number of Veterans have been contacting us to ascertain whether or not they are considered part of the Class Action. In each instance, we have advised that last winter the Government of Canada communicated in writing with Veterans included in the suit.
How many are part of the Class Action. We estimate that approx 20,000 veterans would have received such communication from Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC).
Are some WW II veterans part of the class action suit? The answer is yes. Obvious, those eligible veterans are of an advanced age which is a powerful reason for parties to mediate a settlement at the earliest opportunity.
What is the current status of the Class Action Suit? The Government of Canada, through its agents at Justice Canada has committed to either enter into Mediation or commence the pre-trial Discovery Process in October 2017.
What is the purpose of Discovery? The Discovery Process, which is a prelude to a trial, aims at conducting oral examinations of the representative(s) of the opposing party to discover admissible evidence. Discovery also permits the exchange and production of information between parties.
What is the likely date for a trial? In the absence of mediation and with the Discovery Process commencing in October 2017, it is most unlikely that the case would be set down for trial, at the very earliest, very late in 2018.
More news will be posted here as they become available
http://mdlo.ca/uncategorized/advisory-veterans-class-action-documentation/
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meteck wrote:nicely put patrickp4....we all feel the anxiety over this issue..i dont appreciate folks like dennis coming back in here like hes slumming it talkin shit to members cause he feelz like it.. we get it ...and many of us think more could have been done ...dont help anyone to slag us for what he percieves as inactivity..ive spoken to lead attorney ,,in march..it will b sept mini budjet or it will b long and drawn out.....period..enjoy the dayz u got on this earth...either way..
meteck,
If you read Dennis first post carefully he in no way came on here to start shit. Your absolutely correct, lots of anxiety all around that came from the lawsuit. But we have administrators who read each post and make decisions on what is said/posted on the forum. The members are free to PM any of the administrators with any problems they may have, but to challenge any one member openly in an aggressive manner, or to simply try an put an individual in their place by way of aggressively responding to the individual on the forum only leads to escalate the problem, and takes the whole forum off track, and goes against the very principals we stand for resulting in taking away the help and info that we are here to provide. Dennis is a good example, I say this because a lot on here have spoke against him, but he is a member of this forum and needs to be given the same respect as anyone else registered to the forum. If he or anyone else is to step out of line, it is the administrators duty to address it, not the members. So the way to handle any aggressive disagreements with any member, you are to contact an administrator, or if the person is openly publicly known, you can handle it between yourselves, just not on this forum. It's hard to bite your tongue, but biting your tongue shows respect for the entire forum, and all of it's members, and guest. So this is the way things have to work on this forum, let the administrators handle the issues, and lets continue to concentrate on our main objectives, unity, and support to one another.
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nicely put patrickp4....we all feel the anxiety over this issue..i dont appreciate folks like dennis coming back in here like hes slumming it talkin shit to members cause he feelz like it.. we get it ...and many of us think more could have been done ...dont help anyone to slag us for what he percieves as inactivity..ive spoken to lead attorney ,,in march..it will b sept mini budjet or it will b long and drawn out.....period..enjoy the dayz u got on this earth...either way..
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Removed by Trooper
meteck,
This is not the first time I had to step in an edit your post.
If you cannot control yourself and respect the forum, I will delete you period.
I'm not going to stand for anymore of your behavior towards other Veterans, and towards the forum.
You signed up in 2012, you know the rules and what is expected of you in terms of behavior, your behavior proves that you lack self control, which is fine, but not fine by the rules of this forum.
What happens next or moving forward is up to you.
Trooper
meteck,
This is not the first time I had to step in an edit your post.
If you cannot control yourself and respect the forum, I will delete you period.
I'm not going to stand for anymore of your behavior towards other Veterans, and towards the forum.
You signed up in 2012, you know the rules and what is expected of you in terms of behavior, your behavior proves that you lack self control, which is fine, but not fine by the rules of this forum.
What happens next or moving forward is up to you.
Trooper
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Re: ELB Class Action Law Suit
Dannypaj wrote:"Potential class members should have already received a letter from the Department of Justice Canada. If you have not receive such a letter, we suggest you contact your case worker at the Department of Veterans Affairs Canada". Who are they talking about in this comment?
Danny,
Potential class members would be those on ELB between the period of 2006 to 2012.
Regarding the letter from the Department of Justice, read the last para written in Blue from the following:
ELB Class Action Update"
Dear Sir/Madam,
A Class Action lawsuit has been certified with the Federal Court of Canada concerning the Earnings Loss Benefit clawed back between April 2006 and April 2012. The lead plaintiff is Raymond Michael Toth, and the court docket number is T-1068-14. The Class will be represented by Michel Drapeau Law Office and Gowlings LLP (Toronto).
The Department of Justice has consented to Certification. At present, we expect the trial to occur in January, 2017 and it will be approximately 10 days in length.
In accordance with a court order dated March 17, 2016, we are writing to you because you have self-identified as a possible member of the Class. Please find attached information concerning the lawsuit, including information on: (a) what the Class Action is about (b) Who are Class Members? (c) What you need to do to take part; and (d) information about costs.
Please note: Should you not wish to be a part of this lawsuit, please fill out the Opt Out Coupon enclosed and send to the address provided as soon as practicable.
In the coming weeks, we will be establishing a webpage where all information on the proceeding will be posted, including all documents filed with the Court, all communications sent to members (in anonymous form) and periodic updates. We kindly request that the details of this email be kept confidential until after our website is live. We will send you an email advising of the webpage address when it is live.
You can also expect to receive communications from the Government of Canada (through Veterans Affairs Canada) in the coming weeks identifying you as a class member.
Yours truly,
MICHEL DRAPEAU LAW OFFICE
Joshua M. Juneau
Barrister & Solicitor / Avocat-notaire
tel (613) 236-2657 x201
fax (613) 236-7476
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"Potential class members should have already received a letter from the Department of Justice Canada. If you have not receive such a letter, we suggest you contact your case worker at the Department of Veterans Affairs Canada". Who are they talking about in this comment?
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27 Responses to "Class Action (Toth v. Her Majesty) Veterans. Updated March 22, 2017"
David Chiasson says:
February 22, 2017 at 10:00 pm
Please notify me of new posts as I am part of this Class.
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
April 4, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Our only fair and efficient manner of communications with the many in the class is via posts on this web site. In this manner all have access to the very same information. Please note also that we are committed to keeping members of the class informed of any procedural or substantive changes in the class action suit. However, it should be clear by now that the evolution of a class action is a deliberate and methodical process which is not particularly characterized by haste.
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James Carson Finch says:
May 3, 2017 at 3:58 pm
Thank you for standing up for our rights sir!.I am very grateful! I am getting worse with my condition, and I hope to see an answer before it’s too late. Thank-you again sir.
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 10, 2017 at 8:11 pm
Thank you for your comment. We share your desire to bring resolution as soon as possible
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Lorelee Finnie says:
February 23, 2017 at 1:21 pm
Hello I was wondering how the case is going?
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Russell Bennett says:
March 8, 2017 at 5:42 pm
Thank you for tackling the government on behalf of we Vets, yet again.
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
March 29, 2017 at 9:09 pm
Thank you.
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
March 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm
A lawsuit is always a deliberate and rather slow process. The delays encountered to date are not unusual. We are committed to informing members of the class via our webpage of any and all significant developments in the management of the matter.
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andre vaillancourt says:
March 29, 2017 at 11:27 pm
Thank you for taking this on for us , thank God that we have people like you who will patiently and attentively guide us threw this complicated journey
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
April 3, 2017 at 7:34 pm
Thank you for your comment.
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Dwayne Ripley says:
March 23, 2017 at 2:42 pm
I am part of this class and just wondering because the government settled the sisip class action law suit based on the same argument will they not have to settle this class action also.
Thank you very much for taking this action.
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John Goodwin says:
April 4, 2017 at 1:32 am
I would like to take this time to say a very big Thank You for taking on this case. I still cannot believe that the government is forcing this issue into a courtroom especially after the promises made before the election. This includes the one by JT in which he states that no veteran will ever have to sue the government again to get the benefits they deserve. This money was taken from us, the same as it was taken from the SISIP veterans, and they lost that one and had to pay the money back. Now, just because the judge in that case never told them to pay the ELB veterans back, they force us to get the words from a judge again before doing the right thing. SHAME!
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Dina Doell says:
April 4, 2017 at 4:22 am
Hello! Sir/Madam: Thank You! All For the Greatness and Success For All You Do: Blessings for All of Us:🙏🙏🙏
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
April 4, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Thank you for your comments. Well appreciated
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Judy Shums says:
April 9, 2017 at 5:45 pm
My father is a part of this class action suit and he is concerned that the case will outlive him. I am certain that he is not alone in this feeling. Godspeed.
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lawrence basque says:
April 25, 2017 at 12:03 pm
My dad is also part of this case , hope they will see fareness before they go to the second world as they age is advance
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 10, 2017 at 8:13 pm
Thank you for your comment. We are aware and very much sensitive to the fact that many class members are advanced in age.
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Gary Robertson says:
April 28, 2017 at 3:35 pm
My father is now 100 he was curious as to what kind of settlement one is looking at. In these cases often there is a ball park figure thrown around as to what a veteran might be looking at if the case is successful. I have not researched the whole site to see if I overlooked that. Is there a high – low prediction if there is such a success?
Sincerely on behalf of Lloyd Robertson
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 10, 2017 at 8:14 pm
Thank you for writing. It is obviously not possible for us, at this stage, to speculate as to what a possible settlement would look like.
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James Carson Finch says:
May 3, 2017 at 4:03 pm
Thank-you again. Please notify me of any changes.
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 4, 2017 at 11:07 am
Any and all changes will be posted on this web-page.
Regrettably, however, a class action – particularly in its early stage is a time-consuming process and little ‘visible’ progress can be see from the outside. This gives true meaning to the expression that “wheels of justice turn slowly.” Nevertheless, it will happen
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Zara says:
May 4, 2017 at 7:57 pm
Good Afternoon Sir,
Thank you so much for helping all the Veterans. I am wondering how I could add my name also for this class action?? If we send my name by this way and it should be ok? Thank you and God bless you!!
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 10, 2017 at 8:15 pm
Potential class members should have already received a letter from the Department of Justice Canada. If you have not receive such a letter, we suggest you contact your case worker at the Department of Veterans Affairs Canada.
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Dina Doell says:
May 10, 2017 at 8:08 pm
[Hello! Sir/Madam: Thank You! Very Much Again and Again; BLESSINGS FOR ALL; Dina Doell
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[b]Chris Deering says:
May 12, 2017 at 2:41 pm
Thank you for standing up for Veterans! We are very appreciative of the work your office is doing. I am a young veteran and am following closely. All the Best!
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Michel Drapeau Law Office says:
May 12, 2017 at 7:55 pm
Thank you so much for writing and thank you for your kind remarks. As you know, being a Veteran is not a easy thing for most; standing up for Veterans is a noble but not so much appreciated by our officials and other interlocutors. Your encouragement is therefore much appreciated.
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