Re: VAC 40,000 backlog - Bonuses for Poor Service?

by Guest Tue 12 Mar 2019, 10:22

Guest wrote:Steelgunner- I am aware I have been working with disabled Veterans since 2000!
Propat- My words are full of facts- you may just not like them!
Bigrex- One thing about military men and women we are not cowards!- Never forget we/I suffer from work-related illness!

My whole point in my rambling is sharing my opinion.
Since the beginning of time Veterans in Canada have never been treated better. Will it always need improving YES!
Yes, the government may be saving some buck but it's due to policies and when a Veteran is ill or injured he or she has a crazy amount of options nowadays!
Take a look around your world, your home. Look in your cupboards. Look at people who care and the resources we can access. Life is pretty damn good for 90% of us disabled Vets. Let's look after the 10% that life really sucks. I was there, if we ever met you may agree I walked alone and I struggle still. Car·pe Di·em is working for me.

PS: Watch the movie "Dead Poet Society"

For those that are reading this the first time please read my other comments in contexts with these words. I think I am the only "guest" in this topic post!

Where do I start my response with you? Your advice to disable Veterans is watch a Hollywood movie? WTF, I am sure you will have a totally different interpretation of Hollywood’s left socialists view and message.

Can’t argue with or debate a fool.

My experience with the so called help non financial help is that you either get on a copious amount of pills or listen to a person that can’t relate to your situation. I have seen 3 physicists, in the past 7 years because of relocating and it’s the luck of the drawal if you get a good doctor or not. Last doctor has made me run away from him, I was convinced he neeed metal health help more then me.

There is no magic pill to help us, VAC could help us by having a better system but that’s a laugh. The system actually makes you worse in my opinion.

by Guest Tue 12 Mar 2019, 06:00

Guest wrote:Steelgunner- I am aware I have been working with disabled Veterans since 2000!
Propat- My words are full of facts- you may just not like them!
Bigrex- One thing about military men and women we are not cowards!- Never forget we/I suffer from work-related illness!

My whole point in my rambling is sharing my opinion.
Since the beginning of time Veterans in Canada have never been treated better. Will it always need improving YES!
Yes, the government may be saving some buck but it's due to policies and when a Veteran is ill or injured he or she has a crazy amount of options nowadays!
Take a look around your world, your home. Look in your cupboards. Look at people who care and the resources we can access. Life is pretty damn good for 90% of us disabled Vets. Let's look after the 10% that life really sucks. I was there, if we ever met you may agree I walked alone and I struggle still. Car·pe Di·em is working for me.

PS: Watch the movie "Dead Poet Society"

For those that are reading this the first time please read my other comments in contexts with these words. I think I am the only "guest" in this topic post!

Are you out of your mind? "Watch Dead Poets Society".....

What the fuck. You are right about one thing, your words are just rambling. I can form a more coherent sentence than you can when I'm shitfaced. Take your balls out of your purse and at least create an account on CSAT to share your crap opinions. In my world there is no such thing as freedom of speech. Put up or shut up. There is only logic and coherency and situational awareness.

It's true everyone is entitled to their opinion, this much I'll accept. However what I don't accept is that everyone has the right to share their opinion. Especially if it's based off Gonzo the clown's playbook.

You said. "life is pretty damn good for 90% of us disabled vets"

Now my opinion, warranted or not, is that you are an idiot. Who the fuck are you to speak on behalf of the veteran community? Are you some kind of oracle? Can you feel for everyone? Are you God? By the way, if you are God, you better have your running sandals on when I die.

Listen Gonzo, I'm sure I can say for every disabled veteran, that we would all trade in our wounds and injuries and the benefits associated with those disabilities, just to be whole again.

You make it sound as if being disabled is rewarding, and you sir or madam are an asshole.

by Guest Tue 12 Mar 2019, 02:45

Steelgunner- I am aware I have been working with disabled Veterans since 2000!
Propat- My words are full of facts- you may just not like them!
Bigrex- One thing about military men and women we are not cowards!- Never forget we/I suffer from work-related illness!

My whole point in my rambling is sharing my opinion.
Since the beginning of time Veterans in Canada have never been treated better. Will it always need improving YES!
Yes, the government may be saving some buck but it's due to policies and when a Veteran is ill or injured he or she has a crazy amount of options nowadays!
Take a look around your world, your home. Look in your cupboards. Look at people who care and the resources we can access. Life is pretty damn good for 90% of us disabled Vets. Let's look after the 10% that life really sucks. I was there, if we ever met you may agree I walked alone and I struggle still. Car·pe Di·em is working for me.

PS: Watch the movie "Dead Poet Society"

For those that are reading this the first time please read my other comments in contexts with these words. I think I am the only "guest" in this topic post! pirat

by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2019, 11:02

It’s obviously that the guest doesn’t truly understand all the unique problems that a present day NVC Vet incounters when leaving the Military as a 3B release. When dealing with VAC the NVC Vets will see it differently then the PA Vets, it’s normal because of two different systems. Soon to be three different systems which is unimaginable for Vets. Just think, there will be Veterans released in the upcoming year that signed on with the PA pension, experienced the NVC days and ended up with the PFL.

I also understand that there is a difference between Veterans that release normally thru finishing their contract and actually making it to the end of the quest for 35 years. All Veterans will have different experience and injuries thru their careers. We all no too if the injury is not documented you have to be your own lawyer with VAC and start the claim with sometimes no help.

The system is not totally user friendly, 3 system within 15 years how could VAC keep up? It’s their own fault, live by the sword and die by the sword. Small improvements yes, long wait time in processing claims a “F” mark.

The guest mentions 71 plus Veterans organization. True but majority funded by VAC because they can’t do the work or want to show the public hey we are doing something. Some better then others, but that’s life.

Guest, we come here to get informed, learn, and help other Vets. Yes, we bitch and sound angry at times. Anxiety, depression, mental health, physical health, etc

I will end with this for now.

I always have said a result of a Union is bad management.

Veterans need some type of charter that can be in-forced and hold VAC responseable for delays and non treatment. It’s obviously broke, fix it period.

by **bigrex** Mon 11 Mar 2019, 10:43

I have to say that posting and then deleting you profile, is pretty cowardly, IMO. If you feel strongly about the subject, and feel that you are being genuine, then you should not be afraid of debate. But when even the PBO, and the ombudsmen, say that this new benefit plan, is going to greatly reduce the benefits available to even the most severely disabled Veterans, compared to the PA, and the NVC, saying how much is spent on VIP, and treatment, is disingenuous, because that money was being spent regardless of the money the individual Veterans receive, as compensation for their injuries

by propat Mon 11 Mar 2019, 09:29

well im looking at a post that says " These are the facts! " and I don't see any facts other than the obvious uncontested ones .I do see some BS though .

has VAC completely shut down and stopped providing benefits and services to everyone ?? NO at least not yet . so yes daily people are getting assistance . forgive me if im not jumping for joy that Canada hasn't totally abandoned disabled vets , well at least yet .

more and more positive outcomes !!!! I call BS !!!! ANYONE can do the math and see that's a load of crap or you can look at the last report by the budget office on the matter it just came out recently and is posted on this sight . outcomes for the disabled look far worse . now that is a real verifiable FACT not BS .

are some thankful for the help they receive from both the old and new systems ? of course they are some . I would say most are on the PA as I am and im very thankful overall ive been treated well. however really good friends of mine are nothing but angry and resentful . disabled afghan vets that by virtue of putting in there claims sometimes just months after mine are struggling have lost families , homes and are ending there own lives .positive outcomes indeed !!!!

IT NEVER USE TO BE LIKE THIS !!!!

as for the ability to get applications accepted you have a redress board to go to if you feel that you were wronged one that is suppose to help you by being fair and impartial . however well after the NVC came into effect a study was done by the ombudsman on this board this VRAB and as it turns out there denials are done incorrectly at a clip of 65% . 65 FRACKING % !!!! 2.5 id accept hell frack it 5% what the hell but 65% done wrong !!!! would you still be able to keep your job if your boss knew you were only going to do it right HALF of the time ??? how about less than HALF ??

funny thing is one of the two most prominent reasons they were done wrong was ignoring medical evidence !!! WTF these are all about disability claims medical evidence should be the overriding factor you cant just fracking ignore it!!!

and that is the NVC version the PA version was well ….. the same no change no improvement no different just the same .

so what sucks today sucked back then because there is absolutely no difference !!!!!

the only difference in this regard is not with VRAB itself but the system . the old system with one application gave better benefits and you were only exposed to the chance of navigating the VRAB system once for the most part .

in the new system witch would give you less benefits IF you got ALL of them at the highest rate left the a chance of getting caught up in this EVIL VRAB system for each and every benefit application in this ABC benefits system .

so it still sucks equally just today it sucks more often .

of cores in the old system once accepted you just carried on with your life with no worries .get a job make a million a year if you can didn't matter you still get your benefits without worry . no need to report income so they can deduct your benefits . no need to prove you are still missing a leg every now and then . no need to worry about trying to work loosing your benefits then not being able to carry on and not being able to claw your way the ABC benefit system once again and losing everything .

yup the PA system sure wasn't perfect not even close ill give ya that and no one here to my knowledge ever said it was just the opposite in fact the problem is the illusion that it SEEMS perfect given what we have today.

propat

by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2019, 06:40

Now I will "Cut and Run" No I am not Seamus! Steelgunner!
I believe he did try. I believe many tried and it has got better and it needs to improve and always will!

by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2019, 06:36

Are some people not getting help YES
VAC and other supportive veterans groups which are many for example this place help us. Daily people are getting assistance and more and more positive outcomes. The web is full of support group aiding veterans and they are getting help -It is working.

People are constantly thanking those that help, here, there and everywhere. It was never like this 20 years ago! NEVER!

Do you actually think VAC is messed up now?

Prior to 2006 it really sucked other than the tax-free pension for life for those that could actually battle for it! Most gave up and died!

You didn't have hope unless you had wartime service.

Oh Ya - you May of got a hearing loss pension but anything else you were told by your military bosses and veteran affairs to basically "SUCK IT UP, YOU WIMP"
These are the facts!

THE GOOD OLD DAYS WERE NOT SO GOOD!

by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2019, 06:19

Guest wrote:Since 2003:
There is now 71++ extremely active veteran support groups,
Social media has taken off faster than a space shuttle, (everyone knows about VAC benefits)
10s of 1000s screaming mentally/physically disabled officers and men,
governmental policy changing.
I would have quit VAC long ago- a 10000+ buckaroos bonus wouldn't keep me. (see how long VAC ministers last -they can't handle it)

Besides IF you get all the benefits ELB, CIA, CIAS, VIP, Att Allowances, free secondary schooling, lifelong pension, IRB-90% or 70%, plus $50-$10000-250-$378000.00 disability award. Just with these your set for life.
If you are one of the lucky service man getting a lifetime pension of $300-1000-4200+ monthly tax-free if released prior to 2006.

Seeing this, ALL retired/serving veterans see all these funds and they want a piece of the MONEY PIT PIE.
So the staff at VAC are overwhelmed by 40000 plus submissions plus policy changing ministers. Not to mention appeals. They can't keep up!
************ I haven't even mentioned Sisip benefits.!

Yes I would support a Bonus

I would rather be working at Joe's septic services or mike gravediggers.

by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2019, 06:14

How much more is being spent on Veterans' services in 2017?
Disability Awards $2.5 Billion
Earnings Lost Benefits $0.4 Billion
Veterans Independence Program $0.5 Billion
Other Health Purchased Services $0.3 Billion
NVC Support $0.1 Billion

by johnny211 Mon 11 Mar 2019, 05:27

Bigrex - well said Brother. You bring a lot of wisdom and help on ? Too the forum. For this I thank you..BZ..
Steelgunner - Maybe it’s our new MVA, trying to bone up on things..lol. But I doubt it., VVV..

by **bigrex** Sun 10 Mar 2019, 22:02

You see, the problem is, VAC and the government created this mess. Back when Veterans were complaining that the Pension Act was inadequate, it could have been solved by simply added the rehab program and ELB, to compensate for loss of income, for those that needed it. Instead they eliminated the pension, and tie most of the ongoing monthly benefits, to being so disabled, that you could not work, or earn a livable wage. So they can't blame moderately disabled Veterans for trying to get as many benefits as possible now, because if they don't, they could left out in the cold, in the end.

The CIAS, is a perfect example. Until last year, Veterans who were working, even if they found it difficult, knew that in the case that they did get to a point where they can no longer work, they would have a safety net, with the ELB and CIAS. But now, you have Veterans who may have otherwise kept working, pulling the plug early, because they have cut a huge hole in that safety net, and Veterans know that if they don't get the benefit now, they never will.

by propat Sun 10 Mar 2019, 21:17

no need to ask anyone to SAY something if there are actual documented facts , official government documents and numbers you can use .

everyone can go on line and research these things like the ones in my last post . then they can see the actual facts . you can also do it for other nations as well like the UK , US and Australia . ya can read there legislations ,get client numbers and budgets . all right there for anyone with an internet connection to read . if you chose to do real research, get the actual facts and do the math you will see that the countries mentioned above have FAR superior programs than we do at present .

yes the UK has a similar system to the one we have today actually ours is based on there system . the big difference is the pain and suffering buyout .there's sits somewhere around 1.3 million for the 100% disabled while ours sits just short of 370 thousand right now I believe or there abouts .

people can BS all they want but I got ta tell ya facts are stubborn things .

propat

by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2019, 19:53

Guest wrote:Very few veterans are missing limbs. The vast majority of funding and the time-consuming efforts are generated by OSI or consequentially related to PTSD clients. I know its can be totally disabling-I am disabled.

When I list the benefits I didn't even mention Sisip and I didn't even mention the 1000s of hours of mental health care per veteran. I encourage you to check your VAC and select Medavie Blue Cross and see the billings these are all in addition to the benefits available.
I saw one recently for 30 years of care exceeded $780000.00 That just talking with professionals.

Of course, we all wish we served a full career and left with a full pension and 100% healthy.

When that is not the case, we are in comparability good hands being in Canada. I would love to hear about a country, that health care and personal care and financial care is even close to ours for their disabled vets. It's is not perfect but it is one of the very best.

My point is if Veteran affairs didn't have to deal with the veterans who are looking for these perks, that are not ill, they would have more time to focus on the truly disabled vets. Comparable to a hospital emergency room 80% of people entering an ER do not need to be there.

Lastly, if you talk with a CM and ask them, or, talk to someone who works in DND or Veteran affairs, off the record, they may tell you. This isn't all BS here its what I have found out. You can find out for yourself just by asking.

Thanks for your input Seamus and I totally understand why you requested to be moved out your former MVA non-role

Cut and Run.

by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2019, 19:13

Very few veterans are missing limbs. The vast majority of funding and the time-consuming efforts are generated by OSI or consequentially related to PTSD clients. I know its can be totally disabling-I am disabled.

When I list the benefits I didn't even mention Sisip and I didn't even mention the 1000s of hours of mental health care per veteran. I encourage you to check your VAC and select Medavie Blue Cross and see the billings these are all in addition to the benefits available.
I saw one recently for 30 years of care exceeded $780000.00 That just talking with professionals.

Of course, we all wish we served a full career and left with a full pension and 100% healthy.

When that is not the case, we are in comparability good hands being in Canada. I would love to hear about a country, that health care and personal care and financial care is even close to ours for their disabled vets. It's is not perfect but it is one of the very best.

My point is if Veteran affairs didn't have to deal with the veterans who are looking for these perks, that are not ill, they would have more time to focus on the truly disabled vets. Comparable to a hospital emergency room 80% of people entering an ER do not need to be there.

Lastly, if you talk with a CM and ask them, or, talk to someone who works in DND or Veteran affairs, off the record, they may tell you. This isn't all BS here its what I have found out. You can find out for yourself just by asking.

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