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Post by Unknown Soldier on Mon 16 Mar 2020, 15:18

bigrex wrote:There are some major difference between SDA , and non SDA conditions.

If you were injured in an SDA, all your health needs are covered by VAC. For example, if you severely injured your leg, in a car crash in Afghanistan, VAC will pay for hearing aids, and dental work. But if you sustained a similar injury in Canada, while on duty, only the health needs that pertain to the pensioned condition are covered, such as walking aids, a wheelchair, if required, and any ongoing pain medication.

Another difference is if you are diagnosed with any illness, while in a SDA, you are fully covered, even if it's not something that is not linked to your service. For example, if someone is diagnosed with diabetes, while serving in an SDA, they will get a full (5/5) pension. But if they were diagnosed in Canada, you would  be lucky to prove a link to your service.
my teeth are in bad shape, are you telling me because I have an injury totally unrelated but happened overseas I could get them fixed..? Though I’d appreciate it, l don’t see how the two are connected, l would never put a claim in for that unless something like a 50cal gun barrel swung in the turret and busted up my mouth etc.
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Post by bigrex on Mon 16 Mar 2020, 14:52

There are some major difference between SDA , and non SDA conditions.

If you were injured in an SDA, all your health needs are covered by VAC. For example, if you severely injured your leg, in a car crash in Afghanistan, VAC will pay for hearing aids, and dental work. But if you sustained a similar injury in Canada, while on duty, only the health needs that pertain to the pensioned condition are covered, such as walking aids, a wheelchair, if required, and any ongoing pain medication.

Another difference is if you are diagnosed with any illness, while in a SDA, you are fully covered, even if it's not something that is not linked to your service. For example, if someone is diagnosed with diabetes, while serving in an SDA, they will get a full (5/5) pension. But if they were diagnosed in Canada, you would  be lucky to prove a link to your service.
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Post by Unknown Soldier on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 15:38

6608 wrote:Unknown Soldier, The answer in a nutshell to your main question: VAC disabilities Special Duty Area vs not , what’s the difference?
Is how the person is covered by VAC either using the insurance principle (SDA,SDO ect) or the compensation principle (regular duty).


Insurance Principle and Compensation Principle
If you are serving in a Special Duty Area (SDA) or Special Duty Operation (SDO), any resulting disability or death will be covered through the Insurance Principle which provides coverage 24 hours a day while serving.
If you are serving during peacetime, you will be covered through the Compensation Principle which provides coverage for any disability or death that is directly related to your service.


The Insurance Principle
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-vac/legislation-policies/policies/document/1447


The Compensation Principle
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-vac/legislation-policies/policies/document/1578





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thanks, l read all that but don’t understand any of it, lol. Just wondering if it means anything all in terms of coverage to be hurt in a SDA when you are already over 100%, vs a veteran with the same injury hurt in Canada, also already over 100% disabled already.
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Post by Unknown Soldier on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 15:33

Teentitan wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
Teentitan wrote:SDA is no longer involved in today's decisions by VAC.  That includes date of injury, classification of injury, location of injury.
well l just got the decision yesterday, and SDA is on in

So was your injury pre 2006?  If so were you in a SDA when the injury happened?

They still have SDA on my pre 2006 injury as that was where my Pensioned Condition occured.  It has been on my VAC file since day one (1997) so the term SDA is grandfathered to stay on my file.
yes, I’m just wondering what it means if anything ,because a vet who was similarly injured before 06 had their injury in Canada.
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Post by 6608 on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 14:49

Unknown Soldier, The answer in a nutshell to your main question: VAC disabilities Special Duty Area vs not , what’s the difference?
Is how the person is covered by VAC either using the insurance principle (SDA,SDO ect) or the compensation principle (regular duty).


Insurance Principle and Compensation Principle
If you are serving in a Special Duty Area (SDA) or Special Duty Operation (SDO), any resulting disability or death will be covered through the Insurance Principle which provides coverage 24 hours a day while serving.
If you are serving during peacetime, you will be covered through the Compensation Principle which provides coverage for any disability or death that is directly related to your service.


The Insurance Principle
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-vac/legislation-policies/policies/document/1447


The Compensation Principle
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-vac/legislation-policies/policies/document/1578





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Post by Teentitan on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 14:41

Unknown Soldier wrote:
Teentitan wrote:SDA is no longer involved in today's decisions by VAC.  That includes date of injury, classification of injury, location of injury.
well l just got the decision yesterday, and SDA is on in

So was your injury pre 2006? If so were you in a SDA when the injury happened?

They still have SDA on my pre 2006 injury as that was where my Pensioned Condition occured. It has been on my VAC file since day one (1997) so the term SDA is grandfathered to stay on my file.
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Post by Unknown Soldier on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 14:13

Teentitan wrote:SDA is no longer involved in today's decisions by VAC.  That includes date of injury, classification of injury, location of injury.
well l just got the decision yesterday, and SDA is on in
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Post by Guest on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 12:57

And any of this matters why, oh right it's called de-platforming !?

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Post by Teentitan on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 12:50

SDA is no longer involved in today's decisions by VAC. That includes date of injury, classification of injury, location of injury.
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Post by Unknown Soldier on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 12:15

EZRider wrote:
Unknown Soldier wrote:
Teentitan wrote:SDA (Special Duty Area) was on old rule under the PA (Pension Act).  SDA injuries meant because the injury occurred outside of Canada the military member/veteran could apply for their PA monthly payment while they still served in the CAF.  Including an automatic B status for the 14 POC covered by VAC/Medavie Bluecross

Whereas another CF member with the same injury (like your knee example) that occurred in Canada could not apply for PA payment until said member retired from the CAF.   Injuries in Canada did not have a guarantee of B status which meant their medical benefits (POC) was claimed injury only or A status.

That was the purpose of SDA identification of injuries.
So if both veterans are al ready over 100% disabled due to a combination of injuries, what bearing if any does this have, if both were released before 2006/PA and yet one is told their injury occurred in a SDA vs Canada. Neither will profit other than treatment no matter where it happened...right.? Or am l missing something.

Another ‘benefit’ for those injured in a SDA Prior to 06’ was priority hiring on release, no difference in payout as far as I know.
yes, but if these injuries were both decided on today, regardless of what year they happened ( pre 06),and both vets were already 100% before the positive adjudication, l guess maybe mentioning that one was in an SDA is just a formality? Question for vac tomorrow I guess, expect an answer in 1-5 days, lol
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Post by EZRider on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 12:05

Unknown Soldier wrote:
Teentitan wrote:SDA (Special Duty Area) was on old rule under the PA (Pension Act).  SDA injuries meant because the injury occurred outside of Canada the military member/veteran could apply for their PA monthly payment while they still served in the CAF.  Including an automatic B status for the 14 POC covered by VAC/Medavie Bluecross

Whereas another CF member with the same injury (like your knee example) that occurred in Canada could not apply for PA payment until said member retired from the CAF.   Injuries in Canada did not have a guarantee of B status which meant their medical benefits (POC) was claimed injury only or A status.

That was the purpose of SDA identification of injuries.
So if both veterans are al ready over 100% disabled due to a combination of injuries, what bearing if any does this have, if both were released before 2006/PA and yet one is told their injury occurred in a SDA vs Canada. Neither will profit other than treatment no matter where it happened...right.? Or am l missing something.

Another ‘benefit’ for those injured in a SDA Prior to 06’ was priority hiring on release, no difference in payout as far as I know.

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Post by Teentitan on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 10:50

One other point I forgot to mention which will answer your question Unknown is a payment for a SDA injury was tax free where an injury in Canada was taxable income.

This indifference of SDA being a tax free payment and Canadian injury taxable income was stopped around mid to late 1990's. Also, during this period, VAC changed the application rule for injuries in Canada could be applied for while the member still served in the CF instead of the member having to wait until they retired from the CF.

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Post by Unknown Soldier on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 10:32

Teentitan wrote:SDA (Special Duty Area) was on old rule under the PA (Pension Act).  SDA injuries meant because the injury occurred outside of Canada the military member/veteran could apply for their PA monthly payment while they still served in the CAF.  Including an automatic B status for the 14 POC covered by VAC/Medavie Bluecross

Whereas another CF member with the same injury (like your knee example) that occurred in Canada could not apply for PA payment until said member retired from the CAF.   Injuries in Canada did not have a guarantee of B status which meant their medical benefits (POC) was claimed injury only or A status.

That was the purpose of SDA identification of injuries.
So if both veterans are al ready over 100% disabled due to a combination of injuries, what bearing if any does this have, if both were released before 2006/PA and yet one is told their injury occurred in a SDA vs Canada. Neither will profit other than treatment no matter where it happened...right.? Or am l missing something.
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Post by Teentitan on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 10:07

SDA (Special Duty Area) was on old rule under the PA (Pension Act). SDA injuries meant because the injury occurred outside of Canada the military member/veteran could apply for their PA monthly payment while they still served in the CAF. Including an automatic B status for the 14 POC covered by VAC/Medavie Bluecross

Whereas another CF member with the same injury (like your knee example) that occurred in Canada could not apply for PA payment until said member retired from the CAF. Injuries in Canada did not have a guarantee of B status which meant their medical benefits (POC) was claimed injury only or A status.

That was the purpose of SDA identification of injuries.
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