DEC Diminished Earning Capacity

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bigrex wrote:That is only if they are getting temporary IRB, because they are participating in the rehab program. But once they are deemed DEC, the IRB is no longer tied to the rehab program.

sorry, that's what I meant, the person is not

Does anyone have any experience with how Pvrs is handling things

bigrex wrote:That is only if they are getting temporary IRB, because they are participating in the rehab program. But once they are deemed DEC, the IRB is no longer tied to the rehab program.

sorry, that's what I meant, the person is not DEC just on rehsb/irb

Called VAC. You can continue to receive IRB  once DEC  even if you refuse meds, counseling etc BUT at any time VAC can request a medical update. They can take away your DEC. etc IRB thus even removing the APSC. Would it actually happen likely not! Unless it was proven to be a fraud claim!
Point is - do we need that stress? - Find a life coach and call him your specialist!  Let sleeping Kitties lie!- Bubbles

Great Discussion!

That is only if they are getting temporary IRB, because they are participating in the rehab program. But once they are deemed DEC, the IRB is no longer tied to the rehab program.

bigrex wrote:Refusing treatment, can be used to remove a Veteran from the rehab program, but the actual IRB, is different.

"Examination or assessment

   20 (1) The Minister may, for the purpose of determining whether a veteran continues to be entitled to an income replacement benefit under section 18, require the veteran to undergo a medical examination or an assessment by a person specified by the Minister.

Non-compliance

   (2) If a veteran who is required by the Minister to undergo a medical examination or an assessment fails without reasonable excuse to do so, the Minister may suspend the payment of the income replacement benefit. If the veteran continues to fail to undergo the medical examination or the assessment for a period of 30 days after the day on which payment of the benefit is suspended, the Minister may cancel the benefit."

So nowhere in the legislation, does it say that the Veteran must be undergoing treatment, for their medical conditions, in order to receive benefits.

l beg to differ, l have seen a response on the myvac account web site where a case manager told a veteran “ if you refuse to attend treatment, you will be taken off the Rehab program AND your IRB/ELB will be cancelled.”

Refusing treatment, can be used to remove a Veteran from the rehab program, but the actual IRB, is different.

"Examination or assessment

20 (1) The Minister may, for the purpose of determining whether a veteran continues to be entitled to an income replacement benefit under section 18, require the veteran to undergo a medical examination or an assessment by a person specified by the Minister.

Non-compliance

(2) If a veteran who is required by the Minister to undergo a medical examination or an assessment fails without reasonable excuse to do so, the Minister may suspend the payment of the income replacement benefit. If the veteran continues to fail to undergo the medical examination or the assessment for a period of 30 days after the day on which payment of the benefit is suspended, the Minister may cancel the benefit."

So nowhere in the legislation, does it say that the Veteran must be undergoing treatment, for their medical conditions, in order to receive benefits.

Yes planning on keeping seeing my psychologist, but I was only wondering if I had to see one every now and then to still be eligible for SISIP LTD and DEC

VAC can and does request med reports. They do not have to wait until due dates. It is in the fine print.
Deciding to not see a specialist when required is likely a Red Flag to VAC in your case.  Fine someone, you can communicate with and continue to make contact via phone in person or email. To do otherwise is risking benefits.

* IRB replaced ELB with VAC.
Sisip calls it ELB & wage loss replacement for income tax purposes.

What is the difference between IRB and ELB?

Your answer surprises me Bigrex , I am not arguing your facts at all as I followed you during the Sisip clawback and you were fantastic at keeping everyone up to par. I am just surprised if someone refused seeing a psychiatrist/ psychologist as set out by Sisip and was than denied benefits.. and the IRB increasing would be that smooth .. I figured through my own experiences and trying to fight for benefits through VAC that the Question why would arise ..

Ppclicaper

They cannot refuse to increase the benefit. The most they could do us request a a periodic review, at the appropriate time.

Sisip cuts you off and VAC without any investigation other than you informing them they increase your IRB? I would expect them to ask why and follow up with some research?

Since the IRB guarantees 90% of pre-release income, before deductions. So if one of those deducted sources of income, is no longer being recieved, the IRB amount is increased by the equal amount. So if SISIP cuts you off, you just need to inform VAC, and they will adjust your benefits accordingly

Hi bigrex yes I am currently approved for IRB.

Topdek, are you currently approved for IRB? Because you can be deemed DEC without getting IRB. It's not an automatic approval. If you are on IRB, if they cease your SISIP, LTD, VAC would simply increase their payments. But if you have not been approved for IRB, even though you are DEC, and would need to apply ASAP, before doing anything with SISIP, to prevent any lapse in benefits.