Re: CPPD and SISIP

by Guest Thu 29 May 2014, 18:49

wow rifleman this site really needs I like button. great post.

propat

by Rifleman Thu 29 May 2014, 18:04

Redfisher I have applied and have been denied a total of 3 times however I continue to fight and will not stop fighting until I get the answer I'm looking for as of right now my application has gone to tribunal just waiting for them to give me a date so I can show up And piss in there cornflakes so do not give up FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT you paid into CPP you deserve what you paid into it and believe me I know what you are going through with these hemroids keep up the fight and good luck

by Guest Thu 29 May 2014, 16:16

Redfisher1 wrote:For those of you who, like me, were told not to apply for CPPD immediately when getting out of the CF this is what happens.

Medically retired in 2009. Applied for CPPD Jan 2013.

CPP Decision -

This is further to your application that we regret to inform you that CPP cannot pay you Disabililty benefits. A careful review of your application shows that you do not meet the CPP disability rules. (Even though I am 90% VAC).

1. You must have sufficient earnings and contributions to qualify for CPP disability benefits. This means that you:
a. must have paid into the CPP for at least 4 of the last 6 years,
b. have made valid CPP contributions for at least 25 years including 3 of the last 6 years.
c. It is acknowledged that you may have some limitations from your medical condition and you may not be able to return to a stressful work environment. However, considering your age, education and my motivation to return to work, it is reasonable to expect that you should be able to do some type of other work or retrain.

While you may not be able to do your usual work, we concluded that you whould still be able to do some type of work. Therefore you do not meet the criteria of severe and prolonged.

Although you may be dissapointed, we hope that you understand the reasons for this decision.

So what they are telling me is that even though I can only get out and be around other people for about 2-3hrs a week without causing a breakdown. And that I can only do light work with no moderate or heavy lifting that I should be able to retain some kind of work. I know my limits, I know exactly how much I can do without comprimising myself and exactly how much physical work I can do before am immobile. So exactly what kind of work are they talking about?

I cannot be around people, I can't do labor jobs, I am not a writer or computer programmer. I will not be a telemarketer, I can't work at McDonalds, Subway or Timmies. I don't have enough money to even think about starting some kind of home based job so what is there for me to do?

SISIP will only retrain people at the basic minimum of getting the lowest paying job, not one that would benefit us. Given said that I can't go to school as I will go absolutely nuts from anxiety, and all that other stuff I inherited from overseas. And most of all if I go over my threshold I become a total ass to my family and they really don't need that person around anymore, neither do I.

It comes down to this. NO CPPD benefits so now SISIP will have to cover me for the 75%. Will SISIP adopt the CPPD decision and force me to destroy my family life by forcing me to work or retrain? Hmmmm or will they understand that I am so f'd up that they will leave the CPPD decision alone?

Anyway for those who just got medically released...apply for CPPD now or forever loose it for the rest of your life.

Redfisher, the wording of the denial letter from CPP D is very very similar and site the same reasons for my spouse. Just wanted you to know you were not the only med released who has received the same letters from CPP D. We are going to appeal for the 3rd time for CPP D.

by Guest Thu 29 May 2014, 08:19

Hey RedFisher if all your ducks are in the pond and I mean You now have LTD from SISIP (meaning your are totally disabled by terms of your LTD), have a disability that incapacitates you and it is recognized by both SISIP and VAC, (EIA, TPI the list goes on) then use those stats as your reasoning for re-applying for both CPPD and DTC, ensure that a MD (Medical Doctor) fills out your paperwork and hell you can fill out what yoiu would expect, PROPAT and others have it right, I applied after receiving LTD and it does work be mean but politically correct, good luck buddy.

by Guest Thu 29 May 2014, 08:06

APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL talk to your doctor explain your whole situation show him the letter and get him on board.

im not sure why they are mentioning the have not paid CPP in so many years crap.

if you are appealing a decision made in 2002 then that is where your start date should come from NOT FROM TODAYS DATE.

if you haven't been able to work since your release because of your conditions and are making a new application you should start your dates from the day you condition started.

propat

by Guest Thu 29 May 2014, 06:50

RCN my spouse very recently received his second denied letter from CPP D as well siting very similar points you stated. We weren't going to appeal the third time as the way the denied letter was written is seemed futile to even try. After reading your post Sapper do you think it is worth trying? Are there others who have gone on to a third appeal and what results did they get? Not sure what to do as the stress is not something spouse needs. Sometimes knowing bad news is easier then hoping for good news if that makes any sense.

by Sapper Zodiak Thu 29 May 2014, 02:44

RCN...just appeal. I was denied the first two times I applied. I have many chronic conditions, but they all must be documented to be a sum of the total. A body is the sum of its parts, and how one damaged thing affects another is significant. The biggest thing here in their eyes is walking and chronic pain/depression. Mobility is a huge issue when dealing with quality of life. And with chronic pain, a person can look well but be very debilitated. A low mood affects everything, and if you have a doctor who believes this, said doctor can be very powerful with the pen. Please get your GP or specialist to confirm these diagnoses and submit your appeal. It is your right. Also include your statement as noted above...pull no punches. They need to know the hows and whys. Don't sugar coat it for the beaurocrats!! Good luck.
Sap

by RCN-Retired Thu 29 May 2014, 01:39

Well, today after 8 months I got an answer to my CPPD application. DENIED. I applied when I first was released in 2002 denied then too but I was so messed up I just could not deal with it as I was in a battle with our friends from VAC. Have not worked a day since being medically released, most days I am so pissed at the world have a hard time to just get up. Now they say because I have not paid into CPP since 2002 I am not eligible. They also mention a relief clause but denied that too because in there words they indicate my Drs did not say I could not do any kind of work. Not sure what kind of employment I could be doing, back so screwed have difficulty walking many days, cannot lift or bend, knees that give out and major depression which I am now told by my shrink he missed diagnosed in 1995 as it should have been PTSD. But owe, the gang at VA say wait out here I need a letter from a CO verifying tragic things happened. Not sure if I have the where with all to appeal this CPPD thing as I am not sure if I can take the added stress. Anyone out there have any similar experiences? One would think that if CRA and VAC deems one permanently disabled then this other federal group of jerk offs would has well. What a day, but will keep trying to smile :-). Ha ha.

by Guest Fri 17 May 2013, 12:53

Thanks for your support. Sometimes hearing that others are going through the same BS give me a bit more energy in dealing with all of this. Thanks again.

by Rifleman Fri 17 May 2013, 08:54

Totally agree with your above comment redfisher however Sisip will continue to harass you like a bunch of leaches and keep asking you to reapply over and over I have been on Sisip since 2002 and they still continue to bother me.all I'm hoping for is that this review does go through for CPP so the leaches will stop sucking the life out of me.

by Guest Fri 17 May 2013, 08:50

redfisher you have to keep trying as cppd can make a differance becouse it will in effect freez your cpp calculations for when you hit 65 ore 67 years.now i dont know how much you were making ore how old you are but it sounds to me if you dont get on cppd your cpp will be negitively effected at least a little and maybe a lot.if you can work thats a great way to bump up your cpp calcs IF YOU CAN NO LONGER WORK FIGHT FOR YOUR CPPD ITS VERRY IMPORTANT!!!!!

allways question athority

propat

by By the Bay Fri 17 May 2013, 01:10

Redfisher1,
Wow that is unreal...What base were you released from? It sounds like North Korea?
When I was release, they walked me through the process 4 weeks before i was released and i met with the Counselors twice a week to make sure everything was on track. I could not imagine how that would feel~ what you went through...Its hard enough live with a medical disability but to be treated with such disrespect. The loyalty and service you gave to her "Majesty" and country and to be treated that way? It just sickens me. Mad

The Military needs to have a better release program for the Vets to make sure they have all the information and support they need before entering civilian life.

by Guest Fri 17 May 2013, 00:16

By the Bay,

When I getting released I was given my disclosure package, asked if there were any questions and was handed my see you later papers. That was basically it. I did the normal clearing out procedures and walked off base. Although I was told that SISIP would guarantee me 75% of my wage and not to bother applying for CPPD as I would be getting SISIP.

I will try again applying for CPPD when SISIP asks for it. I really don't know what to say other than look at my previous application and make these one or two changes. Honestly it really does not matter who is paying as the income is capped off. All they are doing is creating a hell of alot of paperwork for me, time lost going to doctors just to prove what it already verified. There is no added benefit for me to help them keep their costs down by making somebody else pay a portion of their policy. Realistically they should be talking to each other and not going through me. But you know if they can find a loophole to not pay you....

by By the Bay Thu 16 May 2013, 23:37

When I was medically released in 2004, SISIP and VAC Counselors on base helped me fill out all my paperwork for VAC, SISIP and CPP-D. The day I received my marching orders, all my applications were completed and the counselor even mailed it for me. Within 3 month, I was notified by mail that I was approved for CPP-D. Shortly after that, I was approved for SISIP and VAC. I was under the impression, that every vet who was medically released got help with their applications on Base before their release date.
That is a real shame Redfisher1, Rifleman and bulldozer. Don't back down and keep trying...

by bulldozer Thu 16 May 2013, 11:54

i am in same situation as you redfisher1 medically released in 2002
cant work because i have panic attacks around people and flashbacks
and always on my gard when people talk to me, you know the song!
was refused for ccp they said the same crap about if can scatch my ......
im fit to work so i gave up because its too stessfull and im only at 60% for vac,i am thinking about reviewing my case in vac but always affraid to loose what i fought for!

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