Vaccinations: Rights/Compensation

Riddick wrote:

Figowa wrote:A virologist couldn't tell you, doesn't know or won't answer that question.

Or you can research it yourself

Yes I could research....and yes I did.....and if you or anyone were to "research" it, everyone will find the same thing.....there is NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER!! But as a caveat.....I could be wrong!

As I have extended the offer to you before.....if you find the answer that ever doctor, biologist, virologist, and scientist agree on......please share it.  Additionally if your credentials qualify you and your "research" to trump every other doctor, biologist, virologist and scientist etc.......then please enlighten us.

Riddick

The answer is no, based on several important features of a virus, starting with your DNA.

Figowa wrote:A virologist couldn't tell you, doesn't know or won't answer that question.

Or you can research it yourself

Yes I could research....and yes I did.....and if you or anyone were to "research" it, everyone will find the same thing.....there is NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER!! But as a caveat.....I could be wrong!

As I have extended the offer to you before.....if you find the answer that ever doctor, biologist, virologist, and scientist agree on......please share it. Additionally if your credentials qualify you and your "research" to trump every other doctor, biologist, virologist and scientist etc.......then please enlighten us.

Riddick

A virologist couldn't tell you, doesn't know or won't answer that question.

Or you can research it yourself.

Figowa wrote:So you can't answer the question?

Just learn what a virus is and does. Because, science, right?

(Ummm science is not always right.....it evolves and changes, just like studies done on previously done studies and are subsequently proven wrong)

No I can't answer the question.....and neither can biologist, virologist and the medical community agree 100%, but appears you can....hmmm

You seem to have a wealth of information that no one else has, so please feel free to enlighten everyone and supply links....thanks

Riddick

So you can't answer the question?

Just learn what a virus is and does. Because, science, right?

Figowa wrote:Answer this. Is a virus a living thing?

I am not sure what your point is?

Are you saying you believe it is not a living thing/organism so it is impossible to catch something that is not alive?

"So were they ever alive? Most biologists say no. Viruses are not made out of cells, they can't keep themselves in a stable state, they don't grow, and they can't make their own energy. Even though they definitely replicate and adapt to their environment."

For argument sake, even if they are not "alive" what exactly does that mean or prove?  A fire is not alive, yet look how it kills.  It can leap from one building to another.

If you do not believe you or anyone else cannot catch a virus that is your "belief" and your choice to believe that.  Take evolution vs religion.  Many people believe the science behind evolution while others have faith/belief in religion....but here is where the twain shall meet........the placebo effect is based purely on faith/belief.......science cannot explain how it works yet they concede the placebo is real and it works despite the lack of science!

Riddick

Figowa wrote:Answer this. Is a virus a living thing?

Good question. There was a lot of yes and no articles. But for some reason this "maybe" article is a pause for thought...

https://www.khanacademy.org/test-prep/mcat/cells/viruses/a/are-viruses-dead-or-alive

Answer this. Is a virus a living thing?

Figowa wrote:Just remember, one cannot catch a virus. A virus is a reaction to distress inside your body.

I did a quick search and the first one that popped up would contradict your statement.....the way I read it.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158179#what-are-viruses

This was the 5th:

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2015/12/separating-fact-from-fiction-about-colds-and-flu.html

Knowing myself.....I am susceptible and I catch virus', which is why I prefer to stay clear of others who are sick.  I try to use my elbow to push a door open, I cough on my forearm/sleeve, not my hand(s) etc.


Riddick

Just remember, one cannot catch a virus. A virus is a reaction to distress inside your body.

I did read.....somewhere (been a while) ....that the Spanish Flu (lol a misnomer as it didn't originate in Spain as assumed by its name) was no longer around and had just gone away.....but........because it is of the sub-group H1N1, it could/can easily be associated with other flu's. Wikipedia has a good article about it for those interested. Regardless, it is hard to prove one way or the other what really happened to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

(according to Wiki, the Spanish Flu went through......4 waves....the 4th being 1920 (we are around the same time-frame).......as listed, there are 3 places identified as "potential origin," being the United States, Europe.......and China.......which I find.....curious)

And....as we all know when searching online......everything pretty much goes from when end of the spectrum to the other if one looks hard enough.....the real point is that there was no vaccine for it at the time (from my limited understanding). Covid-19 comes under the sub-group SARS CoV-2.

Although I personally disagree with this vaccine (for me), I disagree with it because of my medical history and yes....our government and many other countries have not been (so I believe) forthcoming with all the information. But I am no anti-vaxer because if it weren't for vaccines, we would be living in a totally different world.

I do not get the flu shot either....well, anymore, as I did have it a few times but made me worse everytime.

But unlike many others who choose not to take/get it........I am not throwing chance to the wind! I do not want to take the chance I have natural immunity to protect me. I don't want to catch anything beit Covid, the flu a cold etc.....so......I STAY HOME........I believe more people should show more restraint and do the same......but that is my opinion.....especially those with compromised/weakened immune systems.

I have been quite disciplined in taking vitamins that have been suggested to help........Vitamins C, D and Zinc to help my immune sys and Crown Royal, wine, scotch and beer for everything else lol

Riddick

Like your post Riddick but the Spanish Flu did not just disappear. It receded and is now the seasonal flu https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

A seasonal flu that billions of people get a vaccinne for every year. The vaccinne that pharmacutical companies used as a 'base' in the creation of the Covid-19 vaccinne.

Yes the long-term affect of the Covid vaccinne is unknown. But that flu vaccinne people get every year has the same unknown long-term affects as well because it is a vaccinne created to fight the new current strain of the flu. But the scientists used the 'base' vaccinne to fight the current strain of flu. That same 'base' used to create the Covid vaccinne.

ALL vaccinnes have side effects and long-term effects, as veterans we know this because we have been vaccinnated up the wazoo over our careers of deployment after deployment. How many dead arm, chilled to the bone turned to flop sweat overnight vaccinnes did you have over your career?

Vaccinnes are ALWAYS a personal choice.

Always has been, I've never had a flu vaccinne because I just looked at it as the flu. A week of runny nose, sore throat, the squirts etc effects that I felt ok fighting if I got the flu.

Covid on the other hand...well 5 million people to date have died in less then 2 years! That are side effects I felt I could not fight off. So I took the shot and yes I will get the 3rd shot as well when I qualify.

Will the vaccinnes give me 100% protection? OF COURSE NOT!!! But it does give me a fighting chance to survive Covid if I get it and that is why I got the vaccinne. To me the vaccinne is that extra round in the barrel that helps if you need it.

Just remember, one cannot catch a virus.

Masks are just as ridiculous. I love how at school to be there in person you have to be vaccinated, but still have to wear a mask.

I've yet to see a peer reviewed clinical study where a used mask contains "covid" or stopped by a mask or when you're eating/drinking you're ok, but watch out when walking to your table.

So by their own logic, if masks work, where are all the biohazard bins for used masks? Sometimes they're tossed into garbage cans, sometimes on the ground. Pretty careless for such a highly contagious/deadly unproven virus.

My Two Cents

IMO The politicians and bureaucrats should keep their bloody noses out of medical issues! I think the vaccine is not all what the government tries to make it out to be....but that is my opinion and I am not a doctor/virologist! Trudeau and his cronies think, segregating vaccinated persons from those not vaccinated is actually going to change anything for the better? The truth is: (IMO) everyone can transmit! Not only is the vaccine a booster, it is not 100% and it does not make those vaccinated immune from carrying or transmitting! Everyone is a transmitter; unvaccinated, vaccinated and those with natural immunity. To say only vaccinated can go here or there, if they show proof is absolutely absurd, when those who are vaccinated can still be carriers and thus pass the virus along. Many vaccinated have died from being so-called...."protected." The media and bureaucrats decide what to publish or what to hide. There is no transparency! Many reports claim thousands have died from Covid when in fact they died from something else brought-on by the virus or nothing related to the virus, but had the virus when they died. So, to scare the public, these deaths became associated with the virus even when they weren't. Shameful how they are manipulating people.

In the article below, is not the first I have seen or heard. Many in the upper echelon opposed to being injected had a jab with nothing in the syringe or it had saline in it! Hypocrites! They tell everyone to get the jab/vaccine and pretend they got it to save face and or harassment.

As there has been no studies on the long-term effects from any of these vaccines and or combination, it is safe to say, no one knows how it will affect/impact one's health or their children's children down the road!

What I do believe is that everyone's health is an individual/unique one and no one should be forced or guilt-ed into getting the vaccine. Do I believe the vaccine helps or works, but not being a doctor or virologist, I believe it could help some while it could be equally harmful to others. I also believe it is a personal choice and everyone's reason for getting it or not should be their own and no one should have to feel they need to explain their position or reasoning. Many have been forced/coerced in order to keep their job; that doesn't mean they believe in it or trust it!

The Spanish Flu did not have vaccines to help control it and it just......went away! Yes it killed more people than all the wars together, but it just went away. I am not saying the same will happen with Covid or that we shouldn't get the jab, but because our governments have been hiding the truth, we just don't have all the information to make an informed decision.

I truly do believe that the best way to protect one's self is through common sense; wear a mask, maintain social distancing and stay away from crowds etc., regardless if you are vaccinated and carry the proof of vacc passport. I am not sure if it is just me but......everytime the infections go up, there appears to be a direct correlation to the government relaxing guidelines and crowds. And everytime they say the same thing....more people need to get vaccinated even when the culprits are the vaccinated one's because they are the one's the government is allowing to congregate in larger numbers!

I am aware of people who were healthy, got the jab and died! My son had a friend who died from the vaccine at a very young age, but these reports oddly get swept away.

Police in Western Australia have charged a nurse with fraud after she was discovered pretending to vaccinate her friends and family.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/australian-nurse-inserted-needle-pretended-to-inject-covid-19-vaccine-police-say/ar-AAQvekN?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAggNb9

Riddick