Disgruntled CAF Members

Supremedebater wrote:I haven’t come on here for years. I know why. I have a major news flash for all you not so bright people. You will all be woken up very soon from the deep sleep yas are in. And if you all got the vaccines, they’re dropping like flies. Cancer rates gone thru the roof. The needles are killing like if you don’t know at this point you literally have 0 hope. I’ve been battling this for months. Evidence is out there I’ve uncovered it all, I know everything. So I might add I know wtf I’m talking  about. And if one more person knocks Donald trump, let me thank you because he is an idiot. What he has done against humanity is a waste of skin. I can’t wait to see all of you in here later on. You are the best of the bunch. Brutal. Embalmers are replacing pumps that circulate the embalming fluids. They finally decided to find out why they’re burning out pumps. The vaccines for covid are plugging veins like nothing else. Fibrous tissues building in the arteries. I now have documented statements from the coroners/embalmers. Do you all not notice all the bad shit going on around you all? Wild, simply wild. Don’t respond, I won’t be back.

I am not sure the purpose of your rant or why after so many years you choose this time to post such a convoluted message, but if you have something that may enlighten or educate others then please elaborate or at least make your message understandable.

Trump is finally getting his day(s) (weeks, months and years) in court and the stable genius who knows more about everything than anybody will finally be held accountable.

Supremedebater wrote:I haven’t come on here for years. I know why. I have a major news flash for all you not so bright people. You will all be woken up very soon from the deep sleep yas are in. And if you all got the vaccines, they’re dropping like flies. Cancer rates gone thru the roof. The needles are killing like if you don’t know at this point you literally have 0 hope. I’ve been battling this for months. Evidence is out there I’ve uncovered it all. So I might add I know wtf I’m talking  about I know everything. And if one more person knocks Donald trump, let me thank you because he is an idiot. What he has done against humanity is a waste of skin. I can’t wait to see all of you in here later on. You are the best of the bunch. Embalmers are replacing pumps that circulate the embalming fluids. They finally decided to find out why they’re burning out pumps. The vaccines for covid are plugging veins like nothing else. Fibrous tissues building in the arteries. I now have documented statements from the coroners/embalmers. Do you all not notice all the bad shit going on around you all? Wild, simply wild. Don’t respond, I won’t be back.

What a idiot you are

I haven’t come on here for years. I know why. I have a major news flash for all you bright people. You will all be woken up very soon from the deep sleep yas are in. And if you all got the vaccines, they’re dropping like flies. Cancer rates gone thru the roof. The needles are killing like if you don’t know at this point you literally have 0 hope. I’ve been battling this for months. Evidence is out there I’ve uncovered it all, I know everything. So I might add I know wtf I’m talking  about. And if one more person knocks Donald trump, let me thank you because he is an idiot. What he has done against humanity is a waste of skin. I can’t wait to see all of you in here later on. You are the best of the bunch. Embalmers are replacing pumps that circulate the embalming fluids. They finally decided to find out why they’re burning out pumps. The vaccines for covid are plugging veins like nothing else. Fibrous tissues building in the arteries. I now have documented statements from the coroners/embalmers. Do you all not notice all the bad shit going on around you all? Wild, simply wild. Don’t respond, I won’t be back.

Thank you for your comments Trooper....nice to see you never left.

As for our "Guest" thank you for your comments as well. I do not believe my position is so weak that it cannot withstand a good debate.
Controversies/debates can be healthy! They can bring out ideas the other may have not otherwise considered.

I posted this for a few reasons. It bothers me how the media is controlled or many authors/journalists put their own slant on an issue instead of just reporting the facts. This is how the public becomes misinformed.....and that can be dangerous in itself!

I never condone violence and every time one of our own/brothers gets in trouble, it's almost like it affects me personally. But it is good to know what is going on around you....that way people can discuss it, instead of just letting the elephant sit in the room and things fester. I am guilty of forming an opinion (judgement) without knowing all the facts......kind of a reality check (and humbling) once you do find out what the truth is suppose to be.

The article mentions an attempt on Trudeau:
"There is ample precedent and reason to fear an attempt on the prime minister’s life from the military. On July 2, 2020, CAF reservist Corey Hurren crashed a truck laden with heavy weapons through the gates of Rideau Hall, where Trudeau was temporarily residing, in an assassination attempt. The Liberal government and Canadian state covered up the attack. They refused to even characterize it as a failed attack on Trudeau’s life, dismissing it as an “isolated incident” perpetrated by a disoriented individual. In fact, Hurren was a long-standing proponent of far-right conspiracy theories and was on active duty when he was detained."

This not only reflects badly on the military but Canadians as a community! I believe we are better than this. But there are many who never heard of this, or the true details......does hiding it under the rug make it less?

I hate the state of our military, and I give thanks to our politicians. I am embarrassed of our pathetic military......but I am proud of having served, proud of those who hang in there and continue to serve. But despite the sad shape our military is in and the bashing I do.....I still want and hope our military can be once again....a force to be reckoned with.

It doesn't matter if i agree or disagree with it (I personally think its abhorrent garbage). Posting an article that mentions assassination of politicians will get this site shut down. Do you not see that? People's opinions are one thing and posting legitimate news is yet another, but crap like this takes it to a whole new level of wackiness that main media will portay as "veterans calling for assassination of politicians."

Hey do what you want. Ill remove myself from the site. If the admins are posting this stuff, its obviously time to let this site die.

Removed by Trooper

Howie1 wrote:My point is that this is a support site for veterans to get information and help dealing with VAC. This is NOT a site to be posting articles on assassination of politicians. You want to post crap like this, do it on a right wing media site.

I take it, you can READ! Where you are posting your opinion, is where one posts/voice their "opinion" on News Article" the "System" or about "Politics."

Your Comments
Have an opinion about a "News Article" the "System" or about "Politics"? Then this is the place to voice your opinions.

If you do not want to read about this "crap," you have choices.....read it or not.......you can also......agree with it....or not.....leave an opinion....or not. Because this article is something you disagree with does not mean you are right.

My point is that this is a support site for veterans to get information and help dealing with VAC. This is NOT a site to be posting articles on assassination of politicians. You want to post crap like this, do it on a right wing media site.

Howie1 wrote:Shit like this has no place on this board. Im not a lefty or a righty. I hate all politicians equally but this is going too far. No wonder no main stream media picked it up.

I can understand that not everyone wants to know reality, or the truth as some see it and remain ignorant....that is a choice. I didn't write it! I certainly don't agree with all of it. Many times extremists can do good as they can equally do harm. But if people are made aware....they can then identify it when they see it.
Trump is a wingnut and extremist ....IMO, yet despite how mentally deranged he is, MSM loves nothing more than to post articles about him. You can like him or not.....but he is reality.

Trudeau can be considered a traitor to Canada and Canadians for all the under-handed stuff he does to undermine the well-being of Canada/Canadians....the only difference between him and Trump, is that Trudeau tries to hide it. IMO he is terrible for Canada and certainly the military/vets, but until the day he becomes accountable, we will all pay the price.

Shit like this has no place on this board. Im not a lefty or a righty. I hate all politicians equally but this is going too far. No wonder no main stream media picked it up.

Here is a news article that didn't make it to the main-stream media. Guess it is pretty obvious why.....Really slams Trudeau

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/01/14/icor-j14.html

Growing support for far right and targeting of Trudeau within Canada’s military
James Clayton, Keith Jones
13 January 2023

Two recent events expose the growing threat to the working class posed by far-right elements within the Canadian Armed Forces: a fascistic rant given by one of Canada’s top generals, and threats made by disgruntled military veterans against the life of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Both incidents reflect the increasing self-confidence of fascistic forces in Canada, which lack a broad base of popular support, but enjoy backing from powerful elements within the ruling elite and state apparatus.

On November 9, at arguably the most important military social event of the year, retired Lt. General Michel Maisonneuve received the “Vimy Award,” which the Conference of Defence Industries Institute bestows annually on a “Canadian who has made a significant and outstanding contribution to the defence and security of Canada and the preservation of (its) democratic values.”

In the form of his acceptance speech—and before Trudeau’s national security adviser, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and much of the top ranks of the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) and the arms industry—General Maisonneuve delivered a fascistic “Make Canada Great Again” diatribe.

Even more significant was the audience reaction. Maisonneuve’s denunciations of the elected government and the working class, were, from all reports, greeted with a standing ovation by the assembled CAF officer corps.
Protest in support of the far-right “Freedom” Convoy, which menacingly occupied downtown Ottawa for almost a month in Jan.-Feb. 2022. [AP Photo/Arthur Mola/Invision/AP]

Maisonneuve denounced the social elements which allegedly stand in the way of Canada’s renewed “greatness”—“first-year graduates of woke journalism schools” and workers relying on “endless subsidies and handouts,” who are not “taking personal responsibility for” their “actions.”

The General decried “the toppling of statues,” referring to the removal of statues of Canada’s first prime minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, who directed a genocidal campaign to dispossess First Nations people of their lands so as to open them up for capitalist development.

Other than “our troops,” the only recent figures for whom Maisonneuve had praise were Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth II, and Ukraine’s President and NATO puppet war leader Volodymyr Zelensky. Canada, bemoaned Maisonneuve, lacks a “great leader” such as Zelensky. To him, Maisonneuve offered up the fascist salute, “Slava Ukraini!” or “Glory to Ukraine,” crafted and championed by the Nazi collaborationist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.

In the manner of a typical fascist “stab in the back” speech, Maisonneuve accused the Trudeau government, if not the civilian population as a whole, of betraying the military. He declared that the Canadian Armed Forces are under-resourced and lack “state-of-the-art tools” for “taking to the world stage” and “seeking alliances.” This is coded language for providing military support to US imperialism’s wars and strategic offensives around the world, which are raising an ever growing danger of a global conflagration with Russia and China.

Maisonneuve’s claim that civilian authorities are letting down the military and thereby putting the country at risk is one of the most notorious leitmotifs of far-right and fascist movements throughout history, including Hitler’s Nazis.

Intimating that the public fails to properly appreciate the “sacrifices” the military makes on its behalf, Maisonneuve lamented, “The idea of serving in our armed forces is getting little traction.”

The officer corps’ enthusiastic response to Maisonneuve’s speech underscores that he articulated the sentiments of broad sections of the military-security establishment.

Much of the military top brass regard the Trudeau government’s domestic, military and foreign policies with disdain. They believe it is insufficiently politically and financially committed to the projection of imperialist power abroad; view its identity-politics-based “diversity” agenda and promotion of the myth of Canada as a “peacekeeping” nation as threats to military discipline and morale; and are angered by its pursuit of sexual assault and misconduct allegations against more than a dozen top-rank officers. They would like to see the establishment of a more explicitly right-wing and authoritarian regime to more ruthlessly defend Canadian imperialist interests against its geopolitical rivals abroad and the working class at home.

The support broad sections of the political elite, state security services and corporate media gave the far-right “Freedom” Convoy as it menacingly occupied downtown Ottawa last year underscored that Canada’s ruling class, like its counterparts internationally, is breaking with traditional democratic forms of rule. If the Convoy, which was instigated and led by far-right and fascist activists, many of them “independent” truckers and other small business people or military veterans and retired police, could come to play such a prominent role in national political life, it was because it was built up and incited by the official opposition Conservatives, the hard-right premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario, and right-wing media outlets like the National Post and Toronto Sun. They used the Convoy as a battering ram to overcome the widespread public support for anti-COVID-19 public health measures. By whipping up a far-right extra-parliamentary movement they also sought to push the Trudeau government further right, destabilize it and if possible precipitate its collapse.

Ultimately, under mounting pressure from the Biden administration, international investors and big business to end the Convoy supporters’ blockading of critical cross-border trade routes, the Trudeau government invoked the never-before-used Emergencies Act, thereby granting the state and its police and security agencies sweeping powers of repression. While these powers were initially turned against the far-right occupiers of downtown Ottawa, they can and will be used in the future against working class opposition to the ruling elite’s class-war agenda of military aggression abroad and attacks on wages and public spending at home.

In his acceptance speech, Maisonneuve gave vent to his outrage over the Trudeau government’s dispersal of the Convoy. Saying perhaps more than he intended, Maisonneuve commented, “Can you imagine a military leader labelling half of his command as deplorables, fringe radicals or less-thans and then expect them to fight as one?” The insinuation is that large parts of the Canadian military supported the Convoy.

The Trudeau government, which relies on backing from the social democrats of the New Democratic Party to retain power, responded to Maisonneuve’s tirade with an embarrassed silence. Defence Minister Anita Anand offered only a single critical comment, which was buried in the press.
Under Operation Unifier, the Canadian Armed Forces played a major role in training and reorganizing Ukraine’s military to prepare for war with Russia. This included helping integrate fascist militia like the Azov battalion. [Photo: Canadian Department of Defence]

The fact that the fascistic filth spewed forth by Maisonneuve has a growing constituency within Canada’s military, including its officer corps, is a damning indictment of the policies pursued by successive governments, the Trudeau Liberals included, in support of Canadian imperialism’s global predatory ambitions. Three decades of wars and military interventions, including in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Haiti, Libya, Syria, Iraq and now Ukraine, have created a substantial pool of bloodied, battle-hardened and disgruntled soldiers and officers. In the regular performance of their duties, many of these will have participated in war crimes, including torture and civilian killings. The most disoriented have been primed to throw in their lot with a fascist movement.

More significantly, as the entire political establishment rallies behind the US-NATO war with Russia, there is a growing recognition throughout the ruling elite that more authoritarian forms of rule will be required to squeeze the financial resources out of the working class that Canadian imperialism needs to fund its war machine. Already, the Liberal government has committed to spending over half a trillion dollars over the next two decades to fund new weapons and weapons systems, including new fleets of F-35 fighter jets, warships and armed drones. Meanwhile, health care is collapsing across the country, as a growing number of patients die while waiting for care in overwhelmed emergency rooms, and public education is subject to brutal austerity.

In Ukraine, Canada and the Trudeau government have been openly allied with fascists for years. As part of its Ukraine military training mission, “Operation UNIFIER,” the CAF helped supervise the integration of the Azov battalion and other fascist paramilitary units into the Ukrainian Armed Forces and National Guard. This campaign to create a powerful Ukrainian army, based on celebrating the fascist political tradition of the OUN, which participated in the Nazi Holocaust in Ukraine, was crucial to preparing NATO’s war against Russia.

Canadian imperialism has long been instrumental in promoting the Ukrainian far-right. It provided a safe haven for thousands of OUN fighters following World War II, whitewashed their crimes and assisted them in disseminating their nationalist-fascist ideology. The alliance between the Ukrainian far-right and the Canadian state is documented in last year’s WSWS series “Canadian imperialism’s fascist friends.”

These imperialist operations have fostered growing support within the military for far-right politics. One group expressing this development is the misnamed “Veterans for Freedom” (V4F), which agitated against anti-COVID public health measures. Last month it hosted a “Veterans’ Round-Table: Coping Strategies for a Canadian Commie Christmas” in which participants chatted about the need to “take-out” Trudeau.

In the YouTube video, Retired Naval Officer Andrew MaGillivray described secret insubordination by members of Canadian Armed Forces’ elite Special Forces unit JTF2, who are assigned to protect Trudeau. They allegedly keep an enlarged photo of themselves posing with Trudeau in their ready room, which shows Trudeau smiling and the two soldiers with “shitty looks.” This prompted Afghan veteran Shaun Arntsen to muse: “Makes me wonder what’s going through their heads. I mean, why aren’t they fucking doing anything? They see everything through the back door, They’re the ‘Praetorian Guard’… it’s how Caesar got taken out.” Arntsen’s suggestion that the troops should either assassinate Trudeau or carry out a military coup was met with approval by other round-table participants.

There is ample precedent and reason to fear an attempt on the prime minister’s life from the military. On July 2, 2020, CAF reservist Corey Hurren crashed a truck laden with heavy weapons through the gates of Rideau Hall, where Trudeau was temporarily residing, in an assassination attempt. The Liberal government and Canadian state covered up the attack. They refused to even characterize it as a failed attack on Trudeau’s life, dismissing it as an “isolated incident” perpetrated by a disoriented individual. In fact, Hurren was a long-standing proponent of far-right conspiracy theories and was on active duty when he was detained.

The Ontario Provincial Police has alleged that Daniel Bulford, an RCMP sniper and intelligence officer who served on Trudeau’s security detail, leaked the Prime Minister’s schedule to his far-right allies, before resigning from the force in late 2021 to protest the federal government’s COVID vaccine mandate. Bulford was subsequently a leading figure in the “Freedom” Convoy’s security operations.

The increasing assertiveness of fascistic elements within the military and state apparatus in Canada is part of an international phenomenon rooted in the global capitalist crisis. In the United States, ex-President Donald Trump and key collaborators within the Republican Party and state apparatus remain free more than two years after attempting a fascist coup on January 6, 2021, to prevent president-elect Biden from assuming office. Last week, a copycat operation was attempted by the supporters of far-right Brazilian ex-president Jair Bolsonaro in Brasilia. Military generals in France and Spain have openly speculated about launching military coups and massacring large portions of the population, while in Germany numerous far-right terrorist networks have intimate ties with the armed forces and state intelligence agencies.