Off topic: Need advice

CORONAVIRUS- PANDEMIC OR BATTLE PLAN?
by the actions of this globalist socialist communist dictatorship and the fact some of us may not survive this virus it is IMO a battle plan, man made communist evil minded experiment that would never have reached our shores if nationalism and patriotism still existed in our government and we were self sufficient like we used to be before freetrade this would not be a factor because the Chinese would have never been in our labs and never been able to steal viruses!!! just my opinion but globalism is the biggest threat to us all.

Wildthing wrote:

By the Bay wrote:Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
By the Bay

live and learn right By the Bay,
Note:  if any of you have a similar situation don't call the MNR unless you live in the city.

Wildthing....

Yes do it yourself, don't call MNR for help! They are definitely not the Cavalry...
MNR stooges are the types of idiots that would throw the pin and drop of the grenade at their feet.

By the Bay wrote:Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
By the Bay

live and learn right By the Bay,
Note: if any of you have a similar situation don't call the MNR unless you live in the city.

Wonderful news!

glad to hear it .

propat

Great news take care

Update:
The Ministry has dealt with my coyote problem and their den has been destroyed.
Tomorrow, my animals will return to their new and improved secured chicken coop and barn.
(I will not go into further details on this public feed as it may upset some of our members. However, if you're interest in knowing what happened to the coyotes, please message me.) Thank you all for your knowledgeable advice and support on this feed and through private messaging.
As always, you all have been great!

Cheers,
By the Bay

Update:

The ground in our backyard was too soft so now we have our friend's water tanker truck stuck in the mud. We have semi-tow truck coming out tomorrow to lend a hand. Hopefully they don't get stuck while attempting to pull the tanker out. My back yard is looking like a scene from the Mad Max movies. I bet the coyotes think we are all idiots.
Good thing I called in some favours or this would cost us a fortune.

Not so cheery,
By the Bay

Wildthing wrote:Coyotes are normally full of worms, give them some meat laced with horse de-wormer, a very strong de-wormer that i was told will cure they're worm problem, and your problem if you know what i mean.
If you have dogs don't let them near the meat!
Co-op used to sell the capsules, bite sized chunks of meat.

Thank you, Wildthing
Good to know

Coyotes are normally full of worms, give them some meat laced with horse de-wormer, a very strong de-wormer that i was told will cure they're worm problem, and your problem if you know what i mean.
If you have dogs don't let them near the meat!
Co-op used to sell the capsules, bite sized chunks of meat.

Steelgunner,

Thank you so much for finding this article. Yo da Man!  I just sent an email with the provided link to the Conservation Officer. So hopefully he can give us some straightforward clarification because we are receiving different opinions on this matter.  Our neighbours and some of our own knowledgeable forum members told us we can shoot them, our township and Ministry told us not to shoot them, and this article clearly states we can shoot them if our liveshock is under imminent threat. Normally, our area coyotes will keep their distances but the two males in the pack are very aggressive during this mating season. My husband's plan to use a remote control vehicle with an attach smoke cannon atop of it and drive it inside the den has failed. We were hoping this would smoke them out but the two male coyotes attacked it before the remote control vehicle got near the den. They ripped the darn wheels off and the smoke cannons didn't even fazed them. The bear bangers did nothing...we shot off 5 bangers and they just stood there looking at us. So tomorrow we are going to try shooting near them with frozen paintballs and we will try to flood their den with water. Our friend owns a portable water tanker. The hose might be long enough to snake into the den and hopefully the force flooding will make them leave. Fingers crossed!

Thanks again for finding the article.
This is a huge help because the literature I was given from the Ministry did not make any reference to the Protection of Property clause.

Cheers,
By the Bay

By the Bay wrote:Update:
My closest neighbour who lives 12 kms down the road stopped by for his weekly order of eggs.  He informed me that the Ministry of Natural Resourse in Ontario has imposed a hunting and trapping ban on coyotes and wolves in my surrounding townships.  So the darn things are protected under the Algonquin Wolf Protection Campaign. I called the Ministry and indeed this information was correct. I can only move them passively from my property. They must leave on their own accord. (How can I move them "passively" on their own accord?)   Perhaps I could chase them out by telling them about my day. It works with my husband. I would ramble on about girly stuff and my husband would get so bored and annoyed that he would move into the other room and watch Netflix on his IPAD.

They also informed me that a large number of our area coyotes have sarcoptic mange which is a high contagious skin disease that can be transferred to my farm animals and humans. Their advice...once we chase out the coyotes, we need to destroy their den and trail path with a control burn of the area and the chicken coop and barn should be washed down with bleach/water. Anything that they touched should be washed.

So tomorrow morning my husband is travelling to the city in search of items you all suggested (Thank you).

Operation Passively Storm the Den is underway.
So far on our shopping list we have; bleach, wolf urine, bear bangers, smoke cannons, and paint balls and paint ball gun. We will only shoot the frozen paint balls near them since this is a "passive attack".  Is there anything else we should put on our shopping list?

I just hope they don't attack back....I don't want to become coyote poop.

Cheers,
By the Bay

Despite the ban on hunting and trapping Algonquin wolves and coyotes, there is a “protection of property” exemption under Ontario’s Endangered Species Act for an “imminent threat” to livestock or poultry. Imminent threat is seen as an Algonquin wolf or coyote attacking or stalking your livestock or poultry. Simply being on your farm is not an imminent threat.

So lock and load.  ROE - watch and shoot (need to be imminent threat to livestock)

Here’s the article with info that you can shoot them on the endangered list.  Date July 2018, would be surprised if it’s changed or update.  Just mention the article and ask conservation officer.

https://ofa.on.ca/resources/nuisance-wildlife/

by the bay not sure about the burn but it will defiantly pee them off and that's what you want. thing is I wouldn't count on getting the RC back at least in working order .

build a waterproof shelter with an open face big enough to house a cheep outdoor motion sensor light and a small loud stereo . get a plug in extension you know one of those things that screw in the light socket with a plug in on the side where you can plug your stereo into . mount in a tree between the den and hose as close to the den as possible with the sensor pointing at the den .

propat

Rifleman wrote:Ok there may be a law against shooting coyotes and other fur bearing animals however if they are a nucens ie taking down livestock or poultry they are open game if you are not able to do it yourself because you just don’t want to you can by law higher a trapper come in and remove them and most trappers I’ve dealt with will do it free of charge do to the amount they will receive for fur you can try all the other things other personal have posted but by my own knowledge with this problem is that they are in a pack they will not stop until they have gotten every animal I went through the same thing

Hi Rifleman,

The Conservation Officer I was speaking to suggested the same thing. It's  going to be very difficult to get rid of them when they are living in a pack. He expressed that there's nothing they can do to stop the repetivate visits until the Minister lifts the hunting and trapping ban. The coyotes are usually intimated by our presents on the farm but this pack of coyotes are gutsy. Our game camera caught them circling our house at night. I am hoping that our methods will scare them off and if not I will need to look at other options provided by the Ministry and pay for animal control to deal with them. But again they won't deal with the coyotes until mating season is over because they are too aggressive to trap. We may need to move our animals and board them in a more secure location until the threat is gone. Housing them in our 3 car garage is only a temporary soluation. My Husband will be looking to beef up our chicken coop and barn so hopefully wild predators won't break in. Maybe adopting a donkey should be in our future plans. We started our small hobby farm 2 years ago so we are new to all this off the grid and self-sufficient lifestyle. We love it but there is always somethings to deal with.

Hi Rubicon,

I used to live your neck of the woods. My sons went to Bayside Secondary School hence my user name By the Bay (Good old Bay of Quinte) I sunk my husband fishing boat near Zwick's Island Park.    I miss the area.
My Husband is thinking about getting his firearms licences and purchase a few rifles for security reasons. We have a few Fishers on our property to that needs to get the boot as well. Nasty little buggers. We are going back and forth with our township By-Law Officer and the Minstery's Conservation Enforcement Officer. We are working with the authorizes to avoid fines because my township doles out fines over silly crazy things. My husband built me a 3 x 12 foot white picket fence as a back drop for my roses in my flower garden. We were ordered to dismantle it because we didn't have a permit to build one. We kick ourselves in the butt for not buying  property in an Unorganized Township. The land taxes would have been a heck of a lot cheaper and there would have been fewer rules to follow.

Cheers,
By the Bay

By the Bay, if you had guns you would/should be exempt from the protective coyote law because you are a farmer with farm animals. Check your local bylaws or ask your municipal bylaw enforcement officer. I know here in Quinte West that farmers are allowed to protect their flock, barnyard animals, etc by shooting any predatory animals. That includes asshole neighbours who let their dogs run loose and mess with your chickens. To be clear, the dogs, not the neighbours. Additionally, you should be exempt from locking up your guns as you need them readily available and loaded to take care of business. Your bylaws may vary in your municipality but do check into it to see what your legal rights are as a farmer. It might just be time to take a hunter safety course and get yourself a rifle/shotgun to protect your livestock or risk losing them all to coyote. In the meantime, buy some loud fireworks and point it all at that coyote den while the ground is still wet and give those coyote a welcome they won't forget without starting a wildfire. If I lived closer I would offer my services just for the target practice; that is what fellow farmers do for each other. Best of luck!

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