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The system is broken

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Post by pinger Sun 04 Sep 2016, 01:27

That's a very good point Panser. The infrastructure. I happen to believe VaC's has deteriorated very slowly since 2006.
Not to take away the recent dynamic progress, but rather the other infrastructures popping up all the time.
Why does VaC not have their own proper internal infrastructures and resources.

To me, I think it's the money. It ain't you or me.[/b]
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Post by Panserbjørn Sun 04 Sep 2016, 00:03

More than likely any VAC money that goes towards homelessness and in crisis veterans will funnel through VETS Canada which I assume has better infrastructure to handle those areas. (Read money funnelling through VETS Canada just to have more people in the pay loop).

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Post by pinger Sat 03 Sep 2016, 20:04

Perhaps I'm foggy but what is this? No funding just probably an endorsement from VaC to VETS...

"In 2014, VETS Canada was awarded a contract by Veterans Affairs Canada whereby they are now approved Veterans Affairs Service Providers in the field of homeless and in-crisis veteran outreach."
From here... http://vetscanada.org/about.php

Proper due respect to VETS Canada.  But GoC/VaC awarding (downloading) contracts?
Seems to me VaC is off loading /off-setting resources.
Let's start the tendering shall we...
Heck. it could make DnD and sisip look like the babes in the woods.
And does not a contract equal money?
It already did, we just don't know it....
VaC is PRIMARY and we should not be on the cheap.

That's JMO. Stay safe all.


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Post by Teentitan Sat 03 Sep 2016, 18:05

Well the explanation was they wanted all the veteran organizations to be aware of these charities.

Here's the reason they shouldn't be at the Stakeholder meetings.....they are a charity not advocates!! Their knowledge of the inner workings of VAC is minimal. They sorta look like a deer in the headlights when there is serious discussions.

Now from an advocates point of view they are in the way at these meetings. It makes the room bigger and adds comments/conversations that end up being more explaining then solving.

So and this is just my opinion; VAC wants to show the 'urgency' vets can be in to motivate them to give more to veterans which usually leads to saving money that VAC is responsible for.

Another reason they shouldn't be at these meetings is they chew up the budget VAC sets for these meetings. The first meeting I went to back in 2011 or 2012 there was about a dozen veteran organizations at the table. The last meeting I went to there was around 30! The one that got me was Reserve Units being there? Don't know why but they were there.

To my knowledge pinger VAC/GoC does not give any money to any charity....unless they apply for it thru special funding for war memorials.
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Post by pinger Sat 03 Sep 2016, 16:52

Hi Teen. So .. .  these charities or non-profits are invited/tempted for what? A voice? or a funding?

To stay alive? And exactly what greater good does that accomplish short of shaking hands with the fracking devil?
Beans, wieners, or KD ?
Or kind of like, don't bite the hand that feeds you?

I am not certain.  Does any... VaC/GoC funding... go to VETS or WW ?
I don't know myself.

What I do know is to help each other, where ever we find each other... no matter a 20 y/o nvc fu to a ww2 fu vet.
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Post by Teentitan Sat 03 Sep 2016, 15:05

Well pinger as long as these charities are invited to the Stakeholder Meetings the more VAC will shame them into doing more.

For the life of baby Jesus why charities are at a Stakeholder Meeting is pure male bovine feces!

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Post by pinger Sat 03 Sep 2016, 14:41

Bear in mind the "relaxed eligibility" for pia has been in place for a 6 - 12 months? The updated policy document is why some of us finally got approved, myself included. Started here... https://csat.forumotion.com/t2967p585-pia for a page or 5. The changes of grade levels I do not know of.
OOPS, you be talking of the pia come cia changes? Ahh hell, that's just another disaster...

Anyway, about those 7 questions under this "The system is broken" I caught what you mentioned about question 4 teen. Kinda like VaC passing off stuff to other organizations.
OUR "STUFF" IS VAC'S PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY, not a charity or non-profit  !
To me anyway, their just cheesing it out to save a fracking dollar and it peeves me of.

Whatever happened to the integrity??? Probably out with the bath water.

That said, I am mindful... who (non-profits, orgs,) get funding from VaC/GoC?
Moreover the ones who absolutely refuse it.
But ain't it just all just a newer political snafu... shyte.

Stay well everyone


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Post by Panserbjørn Sat 03 Sep 2016, 13:54

Very true.

It could just mean only a 1% decrease to the eligibility requirements or 30%. Unfortunately we just don't know until it happens.

One thing is for sure though, when it does happen. They will have a ton of reassessment appeals flooding in.

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Post by bigrex Sat 03 Sep 2016, 10:13

I don't think you were misleading anyone Panser. The problem I have with it, is that even though it says "expanded access" in the legislation, it still depends solely on how much the bureaucrats actually adhere to the concepts of expanding access.
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Post by Vet1234 Sat 03 Sep 2016, 08:22

I hope they live true to their "career impact" rhetoric.. being stuck for years at a percentage of pre-release pay and stuck in the VAC obstacle course fighting for what is deserved is complete BS.
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Post by Panserbjørn Fri 02 Sep 2016, 21:23

I understand that it hasn't been implemented yet. I do believe in the bill though it was worded as "expanded access".

So I was just a interpreting it as I understand that to mean. If I was misleading I apologize.

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Post by bigrex Fri 02 Sep 2016, 20:40

Panser, that remains to be seen. And since the change to CIA/CIAS doesn't happen for another 7 months, they probably don't know any of the actual details on how this will be implemented yet.
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Post by Panserbjørn Fri 02 Sep 2016, 19:17

The answer they give us expanded access. Meaning easier to get and easier to get higher grades.

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Post by johnny211 Fri 02 Sep 2016, 19:06

Panserbjorn - Have you heard anything on what changes they will do to the old PIA/PIAS, new CIA/CIAS. Its like pulling teeth trying to get an answer on that one. I'm really not sure what the big secret is..VVV...
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Post by Panserbjørn Fri 02 Sep 2016, 19:03

Well there are changes in the pipeline to CIA and CIAS, increased disability award, and increased ELB. I was just glad to have the conservatives out.

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