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Post by Dannypaj on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 05:11

Tired of being messed around by the system?
Your not alone!

Think about it?
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Post by Dannypaj on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 05:08

Firepower to your message propat &

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Post by Guest on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 11:39

#3 letter righting and how it effects government policy .

ok first and foremost the government is more concerned about public opinion than anything else . this effects the money and votes they will receive . in essence it will determine weather they get fired or not .

so their is NOTHING more important to them .

thing is politicians have to know what public opinion is . they cant read minds so they have a staff that reads a lot of other stuff to figure it out for them .

public opinion polls ,focus group reports , blogs, tweets ,website posts , media stories ( witch they also conceder as developing public opinion witch I'm sure I will get into at a latter date ) and letters / emails .

the FACT is that to this day politicians, political scientists , staff and other political hacks consider the voluntarily offered up letter / email with your personal info THEE most accurate gage of public opinion they have at their disposal outside the voting booth .

in fact so much so that these types of correspondence are given a multiple factor as to public opinion on the subject matter . 25 , 50, 100, 1000 ect ect ect .

the factor all depends on the subject matter , the coherence and legitimacy and yes the passion put into the correspondence relative to the other correspondence received in reference to the same subject . bottom line your letter will be given a factor with very little exception.

so your letter will be looked at as the opinion of 25 voters ,1000 voters or whatever .

now as this effects us ;

letter righting factors for demographic groups generally get low factors ( if that correspondence is from that group )

letter righting factors for subject matters effecting the entire voting public generally get high factors .

letters written from the general public in support of a demographic group ( written by people outside the demographic group in question ) will generally get the highest factors .

so right away boys you will be only showing the opinion of vets not the general public but if the GOC figures at some point that the next election will be close these may be very important letters indeed .

however if we could get a message out to joe civie one so compelling that he will be righting letters in mass . well well well boys that will would absolutely force the GOC to act .

only two actions they can take at that point and at times both .

first maintain their current policy and win back public support for their current policy .

if that fails then just bow to public opinion .

ya their is a third and that's to dust off and update the old resume but this is one almost never taken.

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Post by czerv on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 11:04

Happy New Year Herh!

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Post by Dannypaj on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 07:03

So Kent Hehr.... you made it to 2017. Nice going... so you get to claim your wheelchair as a medical expense tax credit while you fail to support veterans in their bid for equality in the tax treatment of their Psychiatric Service Dogs. They have an H word for that and it isnt Hemmoroid.... You are completely missing the point. As a lawyer I figured you would understand the definition of discrimination, but alas I was mistaken.
You fumbled because of poor staff work that is ...symptomatic of the WE KNOW BEST attitude that is displayed by your department and bureaucrats. Hell you guys cant seem to do a mail out without creating a huge privacy breech... nice going. Speaking of mail, the Prime Minister will be getting hundreds of letters from concerned Canadian Citizens. The Human Rights Complaints are filed and receipted. So it might behoove you to figure out what is really going on in the Service Dog world.
So here is a question for you. Remember those standards that are in development that you are paying for? Do you know that service dog legislation is a provincial matter and there is no requirement for adoption by the provinces? So what is the purpose? Oh I know so that VAC could know what they would be paying for....
Speaking of which.... why is it the VAC case Managers are reaching out to Service Dog organizations to get Veterans Service dogs? Rather awkward question isn't it? You see minister you have not got a clue what is happening in your department. If clues were shoes in the Service Dog world you would be barefoot. But rather than talk to folks who know what is really happening you accept sub standard staff work from bureacratic Yes men.
So Kent... you had hoped that this would blow over and go away... not so much... the media will continue to dig and I am only too willing to draw the map for them.
So you have yourself a great time... the hot seat is a fun place and you will get to claim that priveledge. Jan 25th will be interesting... Lets Talk.... oh wait... you are missing the hard parts.
#discriminationisuncanadian
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Post by Dannypaj on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 11:38

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Canada is the beacon of peace, not lies and politics, 2017
No more ANGRY VETERANS!
Happy meaningful dialogue amongst all!!!
Happy New Year !
Happy years to come, with best intentions.
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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 07:09

IMO, our tune would be different, simply put "we believed our GoC was going to reinstate our Pensions Act".
If I was a Canadian peon, would I go out risking life and limb knowing they can promise you something and anything?

Canada is the beacon of peace, not lies and politics

Mr. Stogran and Mr. Roberts; Like comment.
Goes to show how social media is working.
Now society can really control the vote.

Do not make false promises to your veterans?
Pandora's box.
Really blows my mind that they would think we would let it ride out like we are an insurance policy plan.
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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 07:01

The mighty green machine "us" veterans. 
They are all in Cahoots.
Did you vote for your leader?
No! The party votes for their leader.
Put real names on Ballots.
Real names.

Wonder who makes them change their song and dance when in power|?
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Post by Guest on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 22:15

well buds I agree if it were me id be fighting my own government tooth and nail in the public eye like good old pat .

of course then ide get the boot but at least it will be out their in the public and I could live with myself .

not saying the MVA is fighting for us behind the closed doors . its possible but I doubt it . impossible to say for sure mind you . is your MP ??? its very possible at least on constituent's issues witch are normally not vet issues .

thing is regardless what they are fighting for even if is for vets they will leave the meetings praising the GOCs actions even if they disagree in the strongest way .

so to me they are all politician's and everything that goes with that . evil ? no doubt . stupid? check their pension ? they are still entitled to the originally designed for the military PA .

yaaaa they may sure as crap look stupid and some might be . but in general not in the least bit .

don't take long to get a pension there . I did 20 in the infantry as a Cpl . no RC ore kit shop . always in a fighting position the harder core the better . since I joined with a degree people called me stupid for joining . not to my face mind you but I heard .

after ALL of that I can tell ya ... awww never mind you know what id do if I were the MVA .

id never last long enough to get a pension lol.

but hey like pat ide wake a whole lot of people up.

WTF maybe ill run .

always question authority

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Post by pinger on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 21:06

@ propat... " # 2 . is the MVA evil ? stupid ? are all politicians ? "

Pretty much imo but they have ulterior motives FIRST AND FOREMOST.

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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 13:36

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Networking and social media, Brothers and Sisters.
Peace is a sunset.
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Here in Hali. we want change without all the bureaucratic red tape. It is  possible.
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Post by Guest on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 09:49

# 2 . is the MVA evil ? stupid ? are all politicians ?

well the short answer would be yes because if they actually had some marbles they would make their fight very public .

however that doesn't mean they are not fighting for you behind closed doors .

yup this is how its done if your an MP you are supposed to support the GOC in everything they do all the time that's it that's all even cabinet ministers .

however they do have their time to take their stand on issues important to them and their constituents .

gentlemen I give you the caucus meeting .

the real goings on in these meetings are kept as secret if not more so than any secrets this country has .

MPs will go into and come out of these meetings in lockstep . no problems or disagreements at all .

however what actually happens inside may be very different indeed .

MPs can and do bring up problems their constituents have with GOC policy and legislation both current and proposed . they will bring out stats and political reasoning . they will use select constituents letters both the factual and emotional preferably ones that are both and read these to the caucus . they will do everything they can to sway the GOC at large to make the changes they are looking for .

in the end if they fail they will walk out of the meeting in full support of the GOCs position just like they were when they walked in .

yup its a load of crap for sure and should be different . id love to know if my MP has my back in these meetings or not but they way things are right now we will never know .

all we know is what is made public so that's what we have to judge them by .

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Post by Ex Member on Fri 02 Dec 2016, 19:48

# 1 ok guys this is the first post so it will just be an introduction . I'm going to use this thread to blurt out things I pull right out of my but about politics .

boys I was born into politics not something I particularly like but more something I was bombarded with since I was born .

thing is to effect any REAL change you really have to know how and why politicians do what they do . soooo I always pay particular attention to whats going on in the political world as it effects politics in general not just vets as it all can effect vets in some way shape or form .

can the recent pipeline announcements effect vets in any major way ???

you bet your ass they can !!!

I'm sure detailed explanations on this general point will follow but bottom line if ya look at public opinion and the organization of the players in opposition to the GOCs position and demographics this WILL cost the GOC votes and seats . maybe not enough to throw out a government at this time but arguably enough to put a majority at risk .

so right now the GOC WILL want to make up for those losses probably come election time say a year prior give take .

one more similar decision soon can add up to more losses in public opinion and put a re-election at steak . in that case they would want to make up for those losses ASAP .

we make a loud enough noise PROPERLY and we may be one of the demographics  they are looking to make up the losses  or sure up future support .

again money and votes baby that's all its about !

anyway it can be complicated in a big freaktarded spider web at times witch I'm sure I will do but money and votes comes right down to public opinion .

they either have to garner public opinion through BS politics for their dissensions or failing that bow to it as a last resort and change their decision.

look boys most of what will follow as I post in this thread will be facts mixed with some opinion .

why put according to propat ???

because ill just be speaking in simple terms .

I'm going to try to avoid using any more political and advertising terms as necessary .

politics ??? advertising ???? whats the connection ???

we will get their but I'm sure most of you know .

its all a game boys .

a dirty lousy game that requires a team .

we want either to be a valuable team member for the GOC or a feared advisory . whatever it takes to make them spend tax payers dollars to get us on their side .

because lets face it spending their own money to buy votes has become passé . spending tax payers money is much more efficient thus has become the norm.

busy as hell lately but will be here time to time . any questions ? post away . I eventually will read everything if I'm not booted of the sight for following the rules  .

always question authority

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