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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by 1993firebird on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 15:29

Must say , " Can not work ever ".

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 14:15

Trust me, I wish it wasn't the case, but unfortunately the bureaucrats do not use common sense, or compassion when making these decisions.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Vet1234 on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 09:22

I read that too BigRex.
"At this point in time, Mr. Vet1234's symptom presentation is consistent with a complete inability to attend school or work. His symptoms are severe and chronic. Thus, in terms of prognosis for academic or work efforts in the future, such is poor on the part of Mr. Vet1234. "

The second part clearly says that the chances in the future are "unlikely."(poor)

"it is reasonable to assume that given the severity of the Veteranís health problem(s), the Veteran will not likely regain the capacity for suitable gainful employment, even with rehabilitation;

There is always going to be a chance of problems getting fixed, that's why they do reviews after 2 years. Mental health isn't black and white, that's why they use "unlikely"

So is the policy to deny, or wait until it gets even worse? It already says "inability to work or attend school" and "prognosis for academic or work efforts in the future, such is poor"

I read it as , unable to do it now and unlikely in the future, which is the criteria.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by bigrex on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 08:05

Unfortunately, i think this line is is causing the problem

"it is reasonable to assume that given the severity of the Veteranís health problem(s), the Veteran will not likely regain the capacity for suitable gainful employment, even with rehabilitation; or the Rehabilitation Program is being completed because:
there is evidence that further intervention would not be effective in achieving the Veteranís rehabilitation goals"


Then your report states "At this point in time, Mr. Vet1234's symptom presentation is consistent with a complete inability to attend school or work.". This could be read that several months down the road, with further treatment, you could be fine completing the training, or finding employment. It's these little words that medical that VAC uses to deny claims, because if gives them a little wiggle room. I had VAC deny a consequential claim for arthritis in my knee, because an orthopedic said that "it only made sense" that it would be severely aggravated due to surgery on the opposite leg, and weight bearing for several months on even a mildly arthritic knee. They said that it was merely his opinion, and not a medical fact.

So if you can get your Dr to say that due to your medical condition, you will never be capable of resuming your studies, and that any stress related to employment would trigger an exasperation of your symptoms, or even take out that "point in time" reference, then that would definitely help with TPI.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 06:56

Hopefully your CM will change her thoughts upon her visit and work to get you approved.

Just organize yourself for the visit and have everything ready to support your position.

It's hard to keep cool in all of this as it is certainly frustrating, but keeping cool is your best approach, it may just be a case where you need to explain better the situation as it stands today.
Not all CM's are equal in terms of support and or knowledge, some have to be pushed a little to truly understand your particular situation.

So my advice would be to not get to upset and concentrate on explaining to her and showing her why it is you feel you should qualify for the benefit or benefits that you're entitled to.
Best of luck to you.

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Post by Vet1234 on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 22:47

I think cm is confused or misinformed.

The TPI decision may be initiated at any time during the Veteranís participation in the Rehabilitation Program and should be made in ANY of the following circumstances:

it is reasonable to assume that given the severity of the Veteranís health problem(s), the Veteran will not likely regain the capacity for suitable gainful employment, even with rehabilitation;

all reasonable medical and psycho-social efforts have been exhausted, as demonstrated in the rehabilitation plan, and the Veteran is still not able to participate in vocational rehabilitation;

My last report 3 years ago said my chances of being able to work again were poor.
thats 2 reports in 4 years saying it.

The new report says " in terms of prognosis for academic or work efforts in the future, such is poor on the part of Mr. Vet1234"
to me... that means that the severity is great and chances are poor. I will not likely regain the capacity for suitable gainful employment, even with rehabilitation;

this is confusing.

I just wanna stop the BS. I understand doing psycho rehab, but what... make me wait on psycho rehab with no access to benefits, because there is a chance i'll get better?
I thought that's what the review is for after 2 years?
deny me now though. check back in 2 years?
It's only deteriorated, it says so earlier in the report. To boot, I should've qualified last psych report.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 21:32

I think they are confusing the PIA with the disability award .

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 21:30

now they mention it in the PIA part of the legislation but they use it to say you CAN receive the PIA if you qualify for a pension BUT have not received it because your condition is not stabilized.

Permanent Impairment Allowance

Marginal note:Eligibility ó veterans

38 (1) The Minister may, on application, pay a permanent impairment allowance to a veteran who has one or more physical or mental health problems that are creating a permanent and severe impairment if the veteran, in respect of each of those health problems,

(a) has had an application for rehabilitation services approved under this Part; and


(b) has received a disability award under Part 3 or a pension for disability under the Pension Act, or would have received such an award or pension but has not because

(i) the aggregate of all of the veteranís disability assessments and deemed disability assessments exceeds 100%, or


(ii) the disability award is not yet payable because, in the opinion of the Minister, the disability has not stabilized.



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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 21:23

just did a quick read through the legislation and it seems just on a quick read the buyout is the only thing hinging on your condition being stabilized .

When award payable

53 A disability award under section 45, 47 or 48 becomes payable whenever, in the opinion of the Minister, the disability has stabilized.

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 21:20

ok vet sounds like your CM is fracked up .

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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Vet1234 on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 20:15

When to initiate a TPI Decision

The TPI decision may be initiated at any time during the Veteranís participation in the Rehabilitation Program and should be made in ANY of the following circumstances:
all reasonable medical and psycho-social efforts have been exhausted, as demonstrated in the rehabilitation plan, and the Veteran is still not able to participate in vocational rehabilitation;
vocational rehabilitation efforts aimed at achieving at least suitable gainful employment have been unsuccessful;
it is reasonable to assume that given the severity of the Veteranís health problem(s), the Veteran will not likely regain the capacity for suitable gainful employment, even with rehabilitation; or
the Rehabilitation Program is being completed because:
there is evidence that further intervention would not be effective in achieving the Veteranís rehabilitation goals; or
the Veteranís health has deteriorated to the point where participation in the Rehabilitation Program is no longer possible.


http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/policy/document/1971
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Vet1234 on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 20:10

I was denied PIA in March(applied in December.)
Reason for denial was "currently attending school and functioning well, no current Psych assessment within 2 years(mine was 3 years old.) I didn't see a Psych, so who decided I was functioning well?
I just got a psych done in August and my CM just got it last week.

This is verbatim from the report:
"Mr. Vet1234 is an intelligent individual who is characterized by a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, leading to high levels of anxiety, depression, as well as other mental health symptoms that result in severe debilitation in regard to day to day function and presentation. At this point in time, Mr. Vet1234's symptom presentation is consistent with a complete inability to attend school or work. †His symptoms are severe and chronic. Thus, in terms of prognosis for academic or work efforts in the future, such is poor on the part of Mr. Vet1234. †As well, at this point in time Mr. Vet1234's traumatization is simply being exacerbated , from his perceptual stance, by the demands of rehabilitation efforts. †It is thought likely that the situation necessitates a withdrawal of Mr. Vet1234 from the vocational aspects of the rehabilitation process. †It is recommended that Mr.Vet1234 be granted 24 hours of psychotherapy to pursue cognitive behavioral strategies aimed at the following: Stress reduction, Stress management and skills improvement, cognitive rehabilitation, depression management, Trauma Perception reduction, Etc."

After reading my report, my CM says I won't qualify for TPI because I'm not stabilized.
Am I missing something?
I've read the policy.


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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by pinger on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 16:59

To vet1234 who wrote:

Talked to my CM the other day... says i'll get denied tpi. †i told her ive read the policy, †maybe she should. †have a meeting on monday with her, †hope i don't act up. †I'm full of rage and anger and other negative thoughts.
My life isnt a game. †I'm furious.


Next Monday? Keep your jets real cool vet. Talking foresight here.
Remember you catch more bee's with honey than vinegar.

In other words, do not act out... It won't do you any good towards some cm.

Some of us around have been in your shoes,

A little 2 cents,.. have someone (supportive) nice and smart with you on Monday.
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Bruce72 on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:10

Ok brother! Then hang in there. Remember, your CM like most CM's really don't have a clue. Just take one step at a time, talk to your therapist and things will work out!
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Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

Post by Vet1234 on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 10:02

I wish! I have 5 kids and 3 of them are under 3!!
I've done Thailand before. Favorite place on earth Smile I recommend Ziplining in Chiang Mai at Flight of the Gibbon, it's insane!! Also, Phuket is a good go. My favorite place by far is Ko Phi Phi island, got a bamboo tattoo there and plan on another when the kids are a lil older. Have fun! Wish I was there!!
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