Re: Career Impact Allowance (CIA)

by **bigrex** Tue 25 Jun 2019, 19:35

basically, the only real time the amount of money you can earn, while DEC, is if you were released before serving 10 years. less than 33.3%, it grade 1, and less than 66.6%, it was grade 2. If you served more than 10 years, or more than 20 years, it didn't matter how much or how little you could earn, could earn, because you were locked into grade 2 or 3 respectively.

But honestly, those criteria never made sense to me. for one thing, it should have been based on your age when deemed DEC, not time served, because someone you joined at 20 years and served 20 years, would only get $500/mo. But someone who joined at 31, and only served 9 years, would get $1500/mo, even though they both completely disabled at age 40, and lost out on 25 years possible future employment.

by derngt Tue 25 Jun 2019, 09:35

6608 wrote:Justagrrl, Here are the complete/correct numbers for the time served and the old CIA

A Veteran’s “years left to serve” plus the Veteran’s age at release, cannot exceed 60.0, which is the compulsory retirement age for CAF members. “Years left to serve” is the lesser of the subtraction of the Veteran’s years served in the CAF from 25.0 years military career or the number of years a Veteran could have served until compulsory retirement age of 60.0.

Grade 1: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income, and have a value of more than or equal to 15 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 2: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.4% to 66.6% of their imputed income, and have a value of at least 6 years left to serve in CAF; or
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income and have a value between 6 to 14 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 3: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans are capable of earning 66.7% or more of their imputed income; or
These Veterans have a value less than or equal to 5 years left to serve in CAF.

Cheers

The following from the VAC site is different from what you said..or am I reading it wrong...Age 60 is not stated..is it implied...

f you have been determined to have a diminished earning capacity (formerly totally and permanently incapacitated), your assessed potential to earn is 33.3% or less of your adjusted pre-release salary and you had 15 or more years left to serve in the CAF, you will receive a Grade 1 CIA.

If you have been determined to have a diminished earning capacity (formerly totally and permanently incapacitated), your assessed potential to earn is between 33.4% and 66.6% of your adjusted pre-release salary and you had 15 or more years left to serve in the CAF F, you will receive a Grade 2 CIA*.

If you have not been determined to have a diminished earning capacity (formerly totally and permanently incapacitated), or you served 20 years or more in the CAF, you will receive a Grade 3 CIA*.

by derngt Tue 25 Jun 2019, 09:26

6608 wrote:Justagrrl, Here are the complete/correct numbers for the time served and the old CIA

A Veteran’s “years left to serve” plus the Veteran’s age at release, cannot exceed 60.0, which is the compulsory retirement age for CAF members. “Years left to serve” is the lesser of the subtraction of the Veteran’s years served in the CAF from 25.0 years military career or the number of years a Veteran could have served until compulsory retirement age of 60.0.

Grade 1: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income, and have a value of more than or equal to 15 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 2: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.4% to 66.6% of their imputed income, and have a value of at least 6 years left to serve in CAF; or
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income and have a value between 6 to 14 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 3: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans are capable of earning 66.7% or more of their imputed income; or
These Veterans have a value less than or equal to 5 years left to serve in CAF.

Cheers

Good job..Clear as mud...hehe.I am DEC now application went in for CIAS in March...I was released with 14 years 10 months @ age 36 and 3 months...Will I remain at level 3 CIA,,,Thanks..This is a great site for answers...

by derngt Tue 25 Jun 2019, 09:15

bigrex wrote:It was based on a 25 year career.

Grade 3 - served more than 20 years, and are DEC.

Grade 2 - served more than 10, but less than 20 years, and limited to earning 66.6% of your military pay.

Grade 1 - Served less than 10 years, and limited to 33.3% of military pay.

Thank you much appreciated...

by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2019, 07:36

6608 wrote:Justagrrl, Here are the correct numbers for the time served and the old CIA

A Veteran’s “years left to serve” plus the Veteran’s age at release, cannot exceed 60.0, which is the compulsory retirement age for CAF members. “Years left to serve” is the lesser of the subtraction of the Veteran’s years served in the CAF from 25.0 years military career or the number of years a Veteran could have served until compulsory retirement age of 60.0.

Grade 1: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income, and have a value of more than or equal to 15 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 2: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.4% to 66.6% of their imputed income, and have a value of at least 6 years left to serve in CAF; or
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income and have a value between 6 to 14 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 3: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans are capable of earning 66.7% or more of their imputed income; or
These Veterans have a value less than or equal to 5 years left to serve in CAF.

Cheers

Thank you, 6608. Have a great summer!

Cool

by 6608 Mon 24 Jun 2019, 07:30

Justagrrl, Here are the complete/correct numbers for the time served and the old CIA

A Veteran’s “years left to serve” plus the Veteran’s age at release, cannot exceed 60.0, which is the compulsory retirement age for CAF members. “Years left to serve” is the lesser of the subtraction of the Veteran’s years served in the CAF from 25.0 years military career or the number of years a Veteran could have served until compulsory retirement age of 60.0.

Grade 1: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income, and have a value of more than or equal to 15 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 2: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.4% to 66.6% of their imputed income, and have a value of at least 6 years left to serve in CAF; or
These Veterans have been determined to have a DEC, are capable of earning 33.3% or less of their imputed income and have a value between 6 to 14 years left to serve in CAF.

Grade 3: Earning capacity/years left to serve:
These Veterans are capable of earning 66.7% or more of their imputed income; or
These Veterans have a value less than or equal to 5 years left to serve in CAF.

Cheers

by propat Mon 24 Jun 2019, 07:13

hey johnny big rex was responding to a question of pre april 1st criteria .

propat

by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2019, 07:10

Ppclicaper wrote:@justagrrl .. I was deemed CIA 3 prior to being deemed DEC . So I am now able to request review CIA 2. With CIAS. More than 10 served less than 20.

Thanks, @Ppclicaper. I was deemed DEC (again) in March and my CM suggested I request a review. I am hopeful this will catch it. Fingers crossed!

Cool

by johnny211 Mon 24 Jun 2019, 06:06

Bigrex - I could be wrong, but in reading up on the CIAS, I think the “years In” part of the policy was removed as of 1 Apr. is this correct. VVV...

by **Ppclicaper** Mon 24 Jun 2019, 01:00

@justagrrl .. I was deemed CIA 3 prior to being deemed DEC . So I am now able to request review CIA 2. With CIAS. More than 10 served less than 20.

by Guest Sun 23 Jun 2019, 23:31

bigrex wrote:It was based on a 25 year career.

Grade 3 - served more than 20 years, and are DEC.

Grade 2 - served more than 10, but less than 20 years, and limited to earning 66.6% of your military pay.

Grade 1 - Served less than 10 years, and limited to 33.3% of military pay.

If this is the case, someone miscalculated mine...

by **bigrex** Sun 23 Jun 2019, 20:02

It was based on a 25 year career.

Grade 3 - served more than 20 years, and are DEC.

Grade 2 - served more than 10, but less than 20 years, and limited to earning 66.6% of your military pay.

Grade 1 - Served less than 10 years, and limited to 33.3% of military pay.

by derngt Sun 23 Jun 2019, 07:57

Can someone explain how your remaining years of service and the age of 60 is used for the CIA including DEC. my application was sent prior to April 1.

by **bigrex** Sun 23 Jun 2019, 00:21

No, the IRB, is basically the ELB and CIAS combined.

by derngt Sat 22 Jun 2019, 18:44

Is cias used to offset the IRB

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